VSfan88 26 Nov 2016 14:08:10
my guess is they've been keeping Adri and Ale for so long because they are the remnants of VS' glory days.
VSfan88 6 May 2016 16:08:49
well, if something doesn't sell, then why continue with it? There was this theory that they did the VS swim special to promote the swim line but it seems like it didn't really boost sales.
VSfan88 26 Dec 2015 10:11:23
yes! Those filler-segments are really annoying. How about just hire musicians like in the old days who would perform one song with the girls and the other by themselves (or only by themselves). So they can show the performance as fillers in between the segments but it's still part of the actual show like with Justin Timberlake or Usher back then. They still can have filler segments but with the solo performances, VS wouldn't need to shoot five filler segments and we all know they don't have enough ideas for five.
VSfan88 13 Dec 2015 05:36:20
@holla: all the big brands don't need to kiss anyone's asses. If they would, then they would go for the big movie stars and not gigi and kendall. We're talking about luxury brands and most of the ig followers are just teens. They can't afford most of the stuff that gigi and kendall model anyway.
VSfan88 11 Dec 2015 12:50:45
fame opens a lot of doors but if you're a pain in the ass to work with then you get a job but no one will hire you again. Gigi and Kendall, however, have been in the industry for a couple of years and are bigger than ever. It's a very weak excuse to say it's ONLY because of their IG followers and family background.
VSfan88 10 Dec 2015 07:04:30
certain things don't need to change when they are just perfect. Sports Illustrated has stick to its formular for decades and they still manage to create household names. VS somehow just tries to follow the wave but the current wave of models are mostly plain and really not sexy. There are still a couple of sexy and stunning models out there. If they put more effort in choosing the right girls, they would still be able to put on a show with great models if they also lower the amount of models and tell the ones chosen that showing "personality" doesn't mean to make ridiculous poses.
VSfan88 10 Dec 2015 06:56:44
@naomi: people just try to find ways to disparage Gigi and Kendall. They just think those two made it into the show because of their families and their IG followers but seem to forget that they also have very legit fashion careers but since that doesn't fit in the picture they deliberately leave that fact out. Find better ways to hate! It's getting repetitive
VSfan88 9 Dec 2015 17:56:11
This year's show had the worst rating from all VS shows. I hope that's a wake-up call for VS
VSfan88 9 Dec 2015 17:46:37
the 2014 show should have been the 2015 show. I'm surprised they didn't lose even one word about that this year is being the 20th anniversary show.
I think the worst thing this year were the models. Some outfits were really beautiful but the models didn't do them any justice with their silly poses. The only model that stuck in my head positively is Candice. The others were horrible or just not memorable. They should tell the girls that showing "personality" doesn't mean to look retarded.
VSfan88 5 Dec 2015 06:12:54
^maybe the excitement for VS is gone? I remember when this shoutbox was filled with tons of pages after the show took place and now it's like 1 page
VSfan88 27 Nov 2015 17:45:44
*is utterly unnecessary
VSfan88 27 Nov 2015 17:45:03
Still one week or two to go before the show airs and the buzz for the show already seem to have fade away. Back then VS could afford it but making people wait a month is not utterly unnecessary. If they wanna air it in December - fine. Then let the show take place closer to the airing date like last year i think when it just took two weeks before the show would air on tv.
VSfan88 16 Nov 2015 05:59:59
let's not pretend that just because you're fan you have to love everything! I think last year's show was actually very nice. Leave "exotic traveler" and obviously PINK out and the overall collection was actually strong. They went back to showing more lingerie than customy outfits. And I'm also for less wings. When you start off with something that's supposed to be "exclusive", you don't need to be surprised when you later on get backlash for throwing it in everyone's face (same thing with hiring too many Angels). I also don't get the idea of hiring someone as the PINK face and then let another girl open that segment. I can do without Rachel Hilbert though. Taylor Hill is a better fit to be the PINK face anyway.
VSfan88 15 Nov 2015 11:55:18
^yeah the last great mash-up imo was for the circus-segment back in 2012. I know it's not realistic to hope for more mash-ups but at least two wouldn't hurt. I don't like it when the opening segment has a mash-up and for the rest of the segments there's always a performer on stage.
VSfan88 14 Nov 2015 17:46:32
Yeah the finish result has yet to be released but for the 20th anniversary show they really came up with quite boring segments. What do you guys think were some of the lamest ideas for a segment or were badly executed?
VSfan88 13 Nov 2015 09:55:16
Imo the show's overall collection is strong any other year since 2008. Judging from pics only this year's was horrible and very disappointing considering it's the 20th anniversary show. I think sophia is lacking serious inspiration. I think last year's show was her first show designing the collection without todd thomas and she did a pretty good job but this year the overall collection was bad.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2015 15:40:06
^The PINK-segment is infamous for being the trashy segment. How ironic that the PINK-segment features some of the best music in the show every single year though. They never sucked choosing a cool song for it.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2015 07:57:59
if there's one thing that never sucks with the PINK-segment then it's the music. "Me & my girls" is really nice runway song. It would have fit "exotic traveler" from last year better though but still good.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2015 07:54:00
selena gomez's performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPmlFI8tIJ0
VSfan88 11 Nov 2015 07:51:23
and in the first segment there's a remix with Pat Benatar's "Heartbreaker" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4yQtHa-3ZA
VSfan88 11 Nov 2015 06:45:28
I know people say the vs outfits look tacky but this year ... they look REEEAALLY tacky. Sophia N. give me your spot lol
VSfan88 11 Nov 2015 06:39:26
here are also all the outfits http://wwd.com/fashion-news/shows-reviews/gallery/victorias-secret-fashion-show-10276865/#!1/victorias-secret-fashion-show-2015/
it shows all the girls in their most unflattering facial expressions. Only few look pretty.
VSfan88 5 Nov 2015 06:38:47
@holla: I also think they hire way too many models. I liked it the best when they gave each model at least two outfits from the segments. Also it seems there are so many models because of the PINK-segment. At least ten models on the list are for the PINK-segment only anyway. So they actually have 33-35 models for the show... still too many
VSfan88 2 Nov 2015 17:07:56
I'm not a Lily A fan but I kinda got used to that she's just there. Plus, she did improve. Since her shipwrecked-pose, I've really seen improvement on the runway ever since.
VSfan88 30 Oct 2015 10:44:28
if you want to argue about "stealing the Angel's show", then Gigi is big enough to do that as well. Might not be as big as Kendall, but big enough. So there's no reason why Kendall shouldn't get it too
VSfan88 28 Oct 2015 07:06:11
for now it looks like the order of the segments will be:
1 Boho psychedelic
2 Exotic butterflies
3 Portrait of an Angel
5 Ice Angels
6 Fireworks
VSfan88 28 Oct 2015 07:02:55
oops... forgot to post the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGfxG0bUSLk&feature=youtu.be
VSfan88 28 Oct 2015 07:02:37
ok, now watching the vid there's no "Princesses"-segment. So there are 6 segments!
VSfan88 28 Oct 2015 06:56:56
first vid about this year's show
VSfan88 28 Oct 2015 06:56:42
^maybe Princesses doesn't exist?
VSfan88 27 Oct 2015 15:13:19
for the anniversary show, I would love to see the finest models from the past 9 years. I hope for Toni, Constance, Edita, Irina, Emily DiDonato, Anais, Blanca, Kelly Gale, Sui He, Shanina, Ophelie, Jacquelyn Jablonski.
VSfan88 26 Oct 2015 07:37:22
girls that opened the earlier VS shows:
1995: Ingrid Seynhaeve
1996: Naomi Campbell
1997: Claudia Schiffer
1998: Karen Mulder
1999: Carmen Kass
2000: Gisele Bündchen
VSfan88 26 Oct 2015 07:20:14
@nicko: Naomi actually opened the 1996 show. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/victoria-secret-fashion-show-years-gallery-1.1543865?pmSlide=1.1543842
I'm pretty sure in the 1996 show, there was also an far-east Asian model. Liu Wen wasn't the first one after all.
VSfan88 26 Oct 2015 07:19:36
Lais has a VERY bland presence on the runway. That would be a huge blow to let her open the show, considering it's the anniversary show as well. So that a new angel will open the show is just a rumor in the end of the day. I prefer one of the veteran Angels (either Candice or Adriana) to open the show.
VSfan88 22 Oct 2015 05:13:52
For the second time, I had a dream about this year's show and how awfully bland it was (especially the second dream). Elsa opened PINK with fruit wings ....
VSfan88 21 Oct 2015 15:52:09
I've actually never understood why people hope to see the former Angels back for the show since VS seems to be the only brand that makes a model a spokesmodel but once the contract is over both parties separate for good. No such thing like a comeback. I know, there are few exceptions but whenever a former Angel does VS, it seems a bit desperate because they go from first to second row. And I find it highly irritating when they don't wanna understand it like Izabel who sneaked her way to the front in the VSFS 2012 finale walk. You ain't no Angel anymore - so stay in the background. Therefore, I hope Doutzen is wise enough to stay away from VS (she's left the brand anyway)
VSfan88 21 Oct 2015 15:44:30
@cekk93: Adri and Ale might have been known to some as VS Angels back in the day but the ones that would attract people to watch the show back then were Heidi and Tyra (and maybe Gisele, too).
VSfan88 21 Oct 2015 05:06:55
why should they hire former Angels?? There's no better opportunity than the 20th anniversary show to introduce a new generation to the people. Back in the day (the 10th anniversary show) I also knew who everyone knew - Tyra, Heidi and Gisele. I didn't know who the heck Adriana, Ale or KK were (let alone Selita or Izabel). And the show was VS's biggest show - even without former Angels like Stephanie, Karen, Helena, Laetitia etc. If there's one thing I can let go of from the glorious VS days, then it's the former Angels (and some of the current Angels too). My dream Angels group is still: Bar, Irina, Candice, Lais, Shanina, Emily D and Elsa.
VSfan88 19 Oct 2015 15:02:48
there's almost one month to go. I'm sure within this coming month, A LOT will be revealed. IMO I prefer that everything is kept under secret. It's the 20th anniversary show. That alone drives everyone's expectations high and they should just do the show without information given before, so nobody can bitch about how bad the show will be.
imo none of the models should walk the show that walked the show 10 years ago. There should be a new generation of models walking the show. That's why they should get rid of Izabel. Since Adriana and Ale are the last "survivors" of the glorious VS days, I get why there are still around, even though Adriana hasn't wow'd me in years of doing the show (Ale, however, did all the years). I hope they go for a strong cast. Not just girls that everyone can see fading away in the next 2-3 seasons.
VSfan88 15 Oct 2015 16:15:40
Rihanna recently announced the title of her upcoming album, so I'm pretty sure she will perform her new single preceding the album. The weeknd should perform a new single. I'm kinda sick of "can't feel my fave" and "earned it" just doesn't have a runway beat (ed sheeran's "thinking out loud" proofed how bland a segment can become when it comes to that... "exotic traveler" was outfit-wise a very weak collection anyway). And i hope selena performs a past single like "slow down", "hit the lights" or "naturally" because "good for you" doesn't fit pink and her new single is NOT a runway song but mr. Razek proofed plenty of times that he doesn't know shit about choosing the right songs. We'll see...
VSfan88 3 Oct 2015 10:08:14
Being an Angel truly meant something maybe 10 years ago. Now the whole Angel-thing has been disparaged by VS. It's relatively easy to be an Angel now or to get wings. So it's also no big deal if Adriana gets it for the 4th time again. They might as well make two and make Adriana wear both - one that opens the show, and the other closing the show .
VSfan88 24 Sep 2015 09:00:58
Rachel Hilbert is a pretty girl but I don't think she's a standout. And since all PINK spokesmodels have eventually become Angels... everyone better prepare for the news she'll become an Angel one day
I wished VS would have given that spot to an Angel like they used to in the beginning. Taylor Hill would have made the perfect PINK spokesmodel among the current Angels.
VSfan88 21 Sep 2015 12:53:34
Gigi and kendall for vs make more sense to me than a lot of other models that have walked the show. I'm pretty fine with both.
VSfan88 18 Sep 2015 10:03:04
So far it seems like that elsa is the most popular (deservedly) outta the 10 new angels. Taylor, jasmine, jac and sara also seem to have a lot of fans. Stella is the most polarizing one. Thanks to her little wanna-be lesbo action with miley, she got a lot of exposure but is the least fav from many people but lately more and more people warm up to her. Honestly i've never heard anyone being a big fan of martha. The rest (romee, kate and lais) are sadly called "the rest" most of the time. So they are the next Lindsay which quite surprises me in lais's case. Another thing that surprises me is that many people wished josephine skriver had become an angel. Personally i don't see angel-material and i still see elsa as the only perfect angel choice. Taylor is perfect too but i still think she seems way to young to be an angel now.
VSfan88 18 Sep 2015 09:44:07
Seems like, though, that vs doesn't want their angels to be overshadowed by other famous models. Otherwise they would have booked kendall and gigi for the show before or other known models like irina shayk. I can still see gigi and kendall in this year's show. U can call them bland but they are the sexy-type of models in the industry and they are far better than plenty of girls vs has used for the show before.
VSfan88 12 May 2015 09:28:30
unedited VSFS 2002 show. It also shows how the peta activist ruined the 3rd segment, so it had to be repeated
VSfan88 7 May 2015 06:21:45
arlenis also looked superbland when she walked vs back in 2008
VSfan88 4 May 2015 06:59:00
Elsa is the STAR in the b/w-group shot - HANDS DOWN!
VSfan88 2 May 2015 14:58:49
i highly doubt that vs dropped rosie after one year, giving the fact how much exposure she would have brought to vs with her transformer-role back then. It was rosie who left vs to focus on her acting career which pretty much ended before it even really started. Who, i think, got dropped earlier than planned was chanel.
VSfan88 30 Apr 2015 16:25:22
I only see the total package in Elsa outta the 10 new girls. I see huge potential in Taylor but making her an Angel now is just way too early. Will see how Kate G. will turn out. She most def got the looks.
I think it's a huge blow for VS that Doutzen and Miranda are gone. Especially Miranda is like the last true big star that has emerged from the Angel-camp.
VSfan88 28 Apr 2015 10:50:20
the amount of new angels is RIDICULOUS! 10 new angels? Adding the 5 existing ones we got a group of 15 Angels? That's obviously way too many which is why I can't really believe it. I'm still thinking that's like how VS hashtagged Toni Garrn as #NewAngel as in "she did a campaign for us" as opposed to "she got the angel-contract".- it's ridiculous news
VSfan88 27 Apr 2015 13:53:19
emily didonato doing a promo event for PINK
VSfan88 27 Apr 2015 06:24:10
@Nintendo: Barely 6 months have passed since Elsa was first rumored to have become an Angel. It's unfair to expect her to be in the same ranks with Candice or Miranda. Candice and Miranda also needed years to establish themselves outside VS, so Elsa will probably need the same amount of time and Elsa isn't even an Angel! She was just strongly talked about to be the next VS Angel.
VSfan88 27 Apr 2015 06:14:41
vsallaccess.com has finally updated the supermodel list and to my very big surprise Elsa is NOT included, meaning she's not an Angel after all and coincidentally IMG has taken down the sentence on her profile that says she's signed the official Angel-contract. Funny thing is: now so many websites have articles claiming Elsa is an Angel quoting exactly that sentence as their source.
VSfan88 5 Apr 2015 18:52:16
and T.G. hoe about a upload-button for the shoutbox... it's always so cumbersome to upload everything on another website.
VSfan88 5 Apr 2015 18:50:49
i finally got myself scanning these. The theme is the Grimms' fairy tale. Can anyone figure out which outfit represents which fairy tale?
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VSfan88 17 Mar 2015 15:53:28
^yeah, heard about it too and I was wondering why she's retitirng from the runway since she's been walking the runway only on special occasions for the past years anyway.
VSfan88 3 Mar 2015 07:38:01
making of this year's Sports illustrated swimsuit issue part 1... I think it's more interesting than the VS swim special
VSfan88 28 Feb 2015 17:10:48
Taylor Hill doing her first PINK event. I can totally see her being Elsa's successor
VSfan88 28 Feb 2015 05:57:09
Instagram Ed Razek:
After I posted the news about @karliekloss leaving VS I got a number of texts asking me why I hadn't said anything about Doutzen @doutzen leaving at the end of last year. Fair question. The simple answer is I should have. Doutzen had a lucrative opportunity in Europe and it would have conflicted with her VS obligations. So, at her agencies request, we released her from contract. There was no conflict. No animosity. None of the nonsense I've read on Instagram. She had a great business opportunity, and I wanted to be fair to someone I adore and respect. That's all. I honestly believe Doutzen is one of the most stunningly beautiful people in the world. And I always will. I have told her that many times. Now you know.
VSfan88 27 Feb 2015 11:22:58
i just watched the swim special and yeah... nothing so "special" about it. Basically watching the girls do the shoot and enjoy maroon 5 and juanes performing. Reminded me almost of these little clips between the vsfs segments
VSfan88 25 Feb 2015 11:46:58
i was wondering for a while how come that most models that VS chooses hardly seem to be fan favorites. So i was thinking what I want in a VS angel and I think it would be 1) the looks 2) the eloquence 3) the personality and when you come to think of it a lot of models nowadays look superbland. So it's already rare to have a pretty face that is successful, too. Then you have to consider that VS looks for spokesmodels not only models. So the need to speak fluent English and also being entertaining is inevitable. So finding a successful model that got the looks, got the eloquence, got the personality is almost non-existing. Even all the current Angels seem to lack one of the three things. So that is the reason why Tyra, Heidi and Gisele will always be considered untouchable because they really had it all.
VSfan88 24 Feb 2015 14:54:25
and it IS a shame that Doutzen left before ever wearing the fb. I'm not too upset about that she's never opened a show because some of the biggest VS stars like Tyra or Heidi didn't either but in those 6 years she had been an Angel, VS could have given her the fb last year and spared the idea with the two fbs for this year's 20th anniversary show.. like seriously .
VSfan88 24 Feb 2015 14:50:29
that's interesting to shoot a VS commercial with so many models and the only Angel is Elsa (and not even necessarily the best known one). But I think that the girls picked are all in all VS material. Glad to see Kate G, who was my fav "rookie" from last year's show. I agree that Taylor is, as of yet, way to young-looking for the mainline but I would also keep an eye on her. She looks very promising.
VSfan88 22 Feb 2015 15:46:34
and next week is going to be the VS swim special... I'm wondering how it will look like.
VSfan88 22 Feb 2015 15:41:50
anyway... she's the best Angel choice in years!
VSfan88 22 Feb 2015 15:41:01
I know - you can read it in her profile on the IMG website but VS is always so weird about their Angels - not introducing them officially to the public (well, nothing new though ). First she was doing all the photoshoots with the other Angels at the pre-show press events. But then she wasn't in front with all the other Angels during the finale in the show (@_@)... here's an article from cosmopolitan that states that Elsa has already become an Angel "earlier this year" and the article is from last year... so she's been an Angel for a while....????? http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/news/a33742/elsa-hosk-tells-what-its-really-like-to-be-a-victorias-secret-angel/?src=spr_TWITTER&spr_id=1440_117216665
VSfan88 22 Feb 2015 15:21:15
anyway... I'm also glad that for a very long time, there's no overload of Angels! But still it seems like an unsteady constellation since it's foreseeable that Adri and Ale won't be staying very long (?)... and isn't Elsa an Angel now?
VSfan88 22 Feb 2015 15:18:54
oooh my... that was the point! dude...
VSfan88 22 Feb 2015 15:15:24
dude... that's why I called it "model stupid"-moment... I wasn't questioning her overall intelligence... urgh
VSfan88 22 Feb 2015 14:59:25
personally I wouldn't be satisfied with both constellations. Stella is a definite NO! Jasmine doesn't excite me and Lais somehow bores me and she was giving me a "model stupid"-moment when she almost forgot that it was her turn to walk in the "Angel ball"-segment which started the cascade of models walking on the runway not on time, so Candice ended up doing half of her walk without music (seen in the alternate show that obviously wasn't used for the CBS-version).
VSfan88 22 Feb 2015 14:39:28
Of course it's better to have more diversity in the group of Angels, but I strongly disagree with making a model an Angel just to have some "ethnicity". It's affirmatve action.
VSfan88 21 Feb 2015 16:11:58
For a very long time, the number of Angels is finally perfect. Adriana, Ale, Candice, Behati, Lily and Elsa=6 Angels. But I got a bad feeling for the future of the Angels since VS has been promoting Jasmine Tookes, Martha Hunt and STELLA MAXWELL (WTF???? ) so much.
VSfan88 21 Feb 2015 15:44:45
Lindsay wasn't going anywhere after three years. So it was foreseeable that her contract wasn't going to be renewed. I don't think many people will miss Karlie as an Angel. She was utterly unpopular as an Angel. I always read ppl saying she doesn't fit VS and is better off doing Hf (which I agree with). Only Doutzen leaving comes as a surprise to me.
VSfan88 27 Jan 2015 14:54:45
"Supermodels Adriana Lima, Candice Swanepoel, Lily Aldridge, Behati Prinsloo, Alessandra Ambrosio, Elsa Hosk, Martha Hunt, Jasmine Tookes, Stella Maxwell, Joan Smalls and Jac Jagaciak will talk about shooting in Puerto Rico, the significance of VS Swim to their lives and careers and what drives them."
I think it's weird that Karlie and Doutzen are not included. It's going to be their first VS swim catalog with a tv special, so they should have included all of their Angels - at least in this one... or does it mean both of them aren't Angels anymore. That would be bittersweet (bitter=Doutzen, sweet=Karlie)
VSfan88 27 Jan 2015 14:50:36
the mystery about the "VS swimsuit show" has been revealed! It's not a swimsuit show in terms of a swimsuit fashion show, but a special about the VS swim catalog. Basically something like an hourlong special of the SI swimsuit issue.
VSfan88 24 Jan 2015 16:53:46
Happy belated bday to doutzen. She recently walked the givenchy men's show as an exclusive
VSfan88 23 Jan 2015 03:42:54
@lane: since doutzen's interview was in dutch, people paraphrased her words in "i'm leaving vs" as if she said it quote unquote but she merely said that her contract was up and she wasn't sure if she wanted to renew her contract as there has been requests from other lingerie brands. Maybe she decided to renew it or she still has some contractual obligations to fulfill. We'll see.
VSfan88 31 Dec 2014 07:37:43
^yeah, as far as I know she went to castings twice. I really don't understand why you have to bring up that "freshness" factor as if she lacks something. She's known, has been successful in the industry for years and she looks like a WOMAN! I prefer her to some "fresh" faces that are gone in the next season or two anyway.
VSfan88 30 Dec 2014 15:22:56
@Candice girl: I don't see what's wrong with Irina's walk. That's a typical VS walk and imo Irina works it.
No, when I said "well-known" I mean also known to people that are not into fashion. Of course VS hires the it-girls that generally have done super good at fashion week the season before the VS show but they are all just known in the fashion circles. Cara is really an exception to the rule and I'm super glad that she didn't walk this year's show. And btw it's not like as if there are tons of models that are known to the general public. Besides the VS Angels, SI cover models are pretty much the other well-known models and VS tends to ignore them. So Kate Upton was ignored (even bashed), Brooklyn Decker was ignored, Bar was ignored (biggest bummer ever to ignore her) and Irina too.
VSfan88 29 Dec 2014 16:20:02
one thing that I really have to say is that the only thing wrong about Taylor Swift performing at VS was that she did it last year. This year both of her songs fitted into the segments and I really dig those two songs.
VSfan88 29 Dec 2014 07:16:50
@Candice girl: Seems like you've never seen Irina walk the runway because her runway walk is good. It's not bad at all. I think the reason why they don't cast her is because she's so known. She's even more known than some of the current Angels and I don't think VS wants someone there to be more known than their own spokesmodels. Plus, her looks is very similar to Adriana's. I remember I was watching the 2012 show with a friend and at first she thought it was Irina who opened the show.
VSfan88 24 Dec 2014 17:08:54
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VSfan88 24 Dec 2014 17:07:43
And if anyone is interested to see the whole collection i designed, please visit my website at www.myfads.de.to! In the menu at the right corner you'll find it under "vsfs 2014 own creations" all the way down.
VSfan88 24 Dec 2014 06:35:24
don't get me wrong - both still look fantastic, but I think Ale ages better. When Adri and Ale walked down the runway together, you had the direct comparison and I think Adri's body just doesn't look model-esque anymore.
VSfan88 23 Dec 2014 16:38:04
so if it was for me to choose, Lily A, Behati, Karlie and Lindsay would have never become Angels and Ale and Adri would have left after the 2012 show. I thought about "keeping" Ale and make her the head Angel as I had Ale in mind when I drew the opening outfit but ultimately I thought it would be too weird for some reason. Other models I had in mind for the line-up were Maria Borges, Bridget Malcolm, Toni Garrn, Gertrud Hegelund, Daphne Velghe, Kamila Hansen, Auguste Abeliunaite, Deimante Misiunaite, Jourdan Dunn, Bregje Heinen, Jac, Ieva Laguna, Josephine Skriver, Aneta Pajak, Luping Wang, Aya Jones, Sharam Diniz
VSfan88 23 Dec 2014 16:17:39
And this would be my model line-up. It was fun to play casting director and choose models.
My Angel-choices consist of 6 Angels as the show is known to have 6 segments.
Irina Shayk would open the show in the "down the rabbit hole"-segment.
Elsa Hosk would open "who stole the tarts?"
Candice would open "A mad tea-party"
Emily DiDonato would open "Advice from a caterpillar"
Bar Refaeli would open "The garden of live flowers"
Doutzen would would open "The queen's croquet-ground" with the fantasy bra
VSfan88 23 Dec 2014 16:06:06
@Nathan: glad that you like them... seems like you're the only one or maybe everyone is busy with x-mas around?
Those are basically the opening outfits for each segment. I designed outfits for all segments + finale outfits for each girl which is something a lot of fans would like to see. As I was thinking which model I'd like to see in which outfit, I kinda created my own little VS universe. Since I also belong to those fans that would like to see each model getting at least two outfits with the angels being the only models to get three outfits with one of them having wings to accentuate their Angel-status, the selection of models is limited to 30 models with NO PINK-segment Furthermore, I have my own Angel choices as I think there have been too many disastrous Angel-choices recently.
VSfan88 22 Dec 2014 07:29:56
yeah, and originally they scheduled an"ottoman empire"-segment for the 2007 show
VSfan88 22 Dec 2014 07:21:11
VSfan88 22 Dec 2014 07:02:33
all this time I thought all the sketches we see, were drawn by Todd Thomas, but they were actually from an illustrator called Jane Kennedy
Vsfan88 18 Dec 2014 03:51:21
@nicko: not to mention that there has never been an asian angel either
Vsfan88 15 Dec 2014 11:44:04
Since this year's show, i'm totally for joan smalls to become an angel. She was such a standout in the angel ball-segment. She owned the stage in the way she posed when taylor walked in and also the way she walked in that segment. Vs should quickly get her by the next year or it would feel it's too late. They should get their radars off from lais. She's already walked so many shows and still hasn't involved yet and still has that superduper bland look in the end of the runway as she proved in the angel ball-segment. Don't get me wrong since i think she's arguably the best choice to become an angel of color but that girl seriously has no spark in her eyes. She seriously lacks some fierceness.
VSfan88 15 Dec 2014 08:11:26
@kevamjai: KK was totally prepared early on to become an Angel. From 2001 on, she was technically an Angel.
VSfan88 13 Dec 2014 13:41:34
Doutzen talking about her future with VS... Unfortunately it's in Dutch
VSfan88 13 Dec 2014 13:32:37
^funny that u asked that cuz I just watched the opening and I think the music lacked energy and Behati looked awkward because her walk was so stiff and her wings accentuated that. I think Lindsay was the best in that segment. "Dream girls" is hands down my fav segment this year and I think Stella is the WORST model pick for the show since Chanel. Hopefully VS saw how terrible she was and will get rid of her ASAP!
Vsfan88 13 Dec 2014 11:09:21
@adriana how about looking for it on the internet ... Jeez
VSfan88 12 Dec 2014 14:02:34
did anyone notice that Todd is not on board anymore? Now Sophia has completely taken over
VSfan88 12 Dec 2014 08:30:19
miranda's 2008 wings
VSfan88 10 Dec 2014 15:31:02
@John: I'm a small, fat and ugly person haha
VSfan88 10 Dec 2014 13:12:50
when it comes to the models:
This year had probably the dullest poses ever. No one really gave something new except for Sigrid in Dream girls (who would have thought, outta all the girls, it would be her??)
Lily A did improve her walk but she looked old this year. And it was also for her "shipwrecked" pose, that kinda won me over but I still wait for the day when she gets dropped.
And Doutzen please stop working out so much. Her she-hulk body from 2009 got its comeback this year
And please get rid of Stella ASAP! The worst model ever hired for the show. Her lip biting-pose is truly cringe-worthy.
Plus: I really hate it when they put extra girls in the credits. Stick with the Angels only for god's sake
VSfan88 10 Dec 2014 13:07:29
just watched the show and the music choices PISS me off more and more
The only fitting song was "blank space" in Dream girls. I know the show needs ratings but it cannot be that no famous singer has a song that would fit a segment... it really CANNOT BE!!! Whoever chooses the music for the show really has to get their ears cleaned.
Vsfan88 9 Dec 2014 05:07:42
Ok, i looked it up and she didn't. Girls that went to the vs casting but ended up doing chanel are cara delevingne, cbn, pauline hoarau, josephine le tutour and sanne vloet. I'm surprised malaika firth walked neither shows
Vsfan88 9 Dec 2014 05:03:10
I think maud was casted because they were looking for someone to wear that ugly outfit. like monica said it - they cast those that they think will fit an outfit the best. Otherwise they would have to cast all the girls. But still surprised that toni didn't make the cut. I thought she belonged to those non-angel regulars. Or did she walked for lagerfeld??
Vsfan88 9 Dec 2014 04:58:53
You always read that dropped angels get dropped cause they either don't sell or they are difficult to work with. That was the case with miranda and gisele as well but i could swear that tyra also said something about tracking sales before ow that you've mentioned it
Vsfan88 9 Dec 2014 04:47:53
@nathan: karlie clearly belongs to those girls that think walking the vs show means doing all those silly antics is a must. Besides that i don't think the consumer has much to say. Otherwise barbara palvin would be an angel by now.
Vsfan88 8 Dec 2014 16:53:48
Which are your five favorite vsfs songs?
Vsfan88 8 Dec 2014 16:52:14
And the only thing i really hate about recent shows is the music!! It started to get weak already in 2007 where it was like... "Hmm.. Ok, the music could've been better". Same with 2008. Everyone hates the 2009 show but hey - the music was really good except for the leona lewis-remix. 2010 was a good year music-wise as well. 2011 felt overall like a cheaper version of the 2010-show. 2012 was the last year where i enjoyed most of the songs. I digged the remix for "circus", i loved "dangerous liaisons" (even one of my favs of all vsfs) and the quiet moment with bruno mars' "silver angels" worked perfectly. I even enjoyed justin bieber. I dreaded "fresh off the runway" for "angels in bloom" though. The 2013-music was superbad. "I knew you were trouble" for "snow angels" was the worst music choice ever. Actually "thinking out loud" for "exotic traveler" was! "Take me to church" for "fairy tale" also makes me go "uuurgh".
Vsfan88 8 Dec 2014 16:28:56
i don't know if anyone has ever noticed it but the recycling of themes has actually started not until charlotte left and sophia came in. Seems like sophia wanted to show the world her own versions of the before-used themes... Too bad her own versions never outshine the first versions... Except for maybe 2010's "wild things"-segment which was much better than 2002's version.
Vsfan88 6 Dec 2014 12:16:42
There's no need to compare elsa and candice. Both deserve the angel-status. I'd rather have five blondes that are 100% angel-worthy than five physically different, but super bland models.
VSfan88 5 Dec 2014 16:31:54
it's funny how they only feature those Angels that everyone thinks deserve to be an Angel.
VSfan88 4 Dec 2014 16:29:10
and ELSA is truly the best Angel choice for a veeeery long time! I hope she uses the platform VS gave her the best way possible I hope she becomes VS's next success story
VSfan88 4 Dec 2014 16:21:17
chill guys... by the comments selita fan posts, you can clearly see he/she is very passionate about the vsfs (like all of us I hope )... it does seem a bit whiny, so I think you should watch the tv version of the show before you can truly judge the show for what it is. Seeing the show from the side does take away a lot of the magic. Wait you'll see it from the perspective of the photographers.
Vsfan88 3 Dec 2014 15:35:24
Exotic traveler ended up becoming sorta bland because the song is wayyyyyyyyy too underwhelming for the runway. Not to mention that it doesnt fit that segment at all. Also a bit disappointed by the fairy tale-outfits. beautiful on pictures but in motion too static and therefore awkward. So far i like dream girls the most
VSfan88 3 Dec 2014 07:02:06
And thx Jake for posting the exclusive vids!
VSfan88 3 Dec 2014 07:01:35
@Nathan: "PINK" might be the crappiest segment, but it always ends up having very good music... gotta say I didn't like it this year though. The transitions from song to song of the Ariana Grande-medley sounded too abrupt. Katy Perry's medley in 2010 was wayyyy better!
VSfan88 2 Dec 2014 16:59:27
^and also Eniko's outfit is in the same segment with the fb bras... I highly doubt that outfit was ever intended to be worn by either Ale or Adriana.
VSfan88 2 Dec 2014 16:55:02
Gilded Angels and Fairy Tale are full of great ideas! And judging from the pics only, Lily A really looks like as if she can strut her stuff on the runway. Nice surprise! "Angel Ball", however, looks too random.
Just a bit bummed that Ed Sheeran performed "Thinking out loud" in the exotic traveler-segment. That song fits shit to that segment. Hopefully the opening segment featured some sick remix.
VSfan88 2 Dec 2014 15:47:30
woooow... who would have thought that "exotic traveler" is inspired by Tibetan attire. I already see the foolish allegations that VS is racist... urgh
VSfan88 2 Dec 2014 15:45:06
God, Karlie looks terrible with blonde hair and it seems like she's trying to be the new Adriana with all those silly antics.
VSfan88 2 Dec 2014 06:42:08
Lily is probably the best example that some people are just not meant for bigger things. I mean she's a VS angel, got married to a celeb and scored the SI cover. This combination is normally a sure guarantee to make you a household name, but still the media doesn't care about her. VS is very generous for keeping her. I'm pretty sure they thought the SI cover would finally make her more known and it's an investment to renew her Angel-contract.
Vsfan88 1 Dec 2014 18:30:23
Based on their looks only, I also think they got a lot of promising newcomers this year. romee, blanca, daniela are my favs and i also have to say that i was waiting for the day that vs drops lindsay. I just never saw the it-factor in her and it's funny to see how many of the angels from the 2010-2011 era failed to renew their contract... Luckily. The only girl from that era that really had what it takes to become an angel was candice.
VSfan88 1 Dec 2014 14:43:16
VSfan88 1 Dec 2014 14:25:18
*after weird choices like Lily Aldrige, Lindsay, Erin, Karlie, CHANEL or even Behati
VSfan88 1 Dec 2014 14:23:56
@fun: yes! Even though I also think VS has too many blondes, it's not Elsa's fault. She's probably the best Angel-choice in years, after the likes of Lily Aldrige, Lindsay, Erin, Karlie, CHANEL or even Behati
VSfan88 1 Dec 2014 14:19:15
@Herbert: It's so embarassing when former Angels or non-angels try to pose with the Angels... it looks so desperate
VSfan88 1 Dec 2014 14:17:34
^your phrasing is horribly ignorant.
VSfan88 1 Dec 2014 06:55:48
@mia not yet but as we all know VS likes to slack to keep everyone updated about the Angel line-up. It will probably take them months to include Elsa's profile and take out Lindsay's profile on the vsallaccess-website.
VSfan88 1 Dec 2014 06:27:50
or this picture proves it even better
all the Angels and no Lindsay. Odd that Elsa is not included though
VSfan88 1 Dec 2014 06:25:31
so all the girls did this press event for the vsfs except for her highness Natasha... if she's going to be in the show, then I find it quite odd of her for not doing the pre-show stuff like any other damn model.
PS: This picture pretty much proves that Lindsay is not an Angel anymore. Doing the vsfs this years was probably her last obligation as an Angel.
VSfan88 29 Nov 2014 15:17:22
why everyone is sooo obsessed about if Natasha is going to walk or not? How much excitement is left when everything gets revealed beforehand?? just saying
VSfan88 24 Nov 2014 06:42:42
very nice questions from bellazon:
1. How long should a VS Angel/Supermodel remain with the brand before they leave for greener pastures?
2. How many Angels should there be in total? There is currently 8-9?
3. How many years should a model be able to walk the VSFS before they can no longer. New blood is always nice.
4. How long should the PINK spokesmodel remain in PINK before she's either fired, or moved to mainline?
1. Given that the girl is a perfect Angel-contender and also uses the platform in the right way that VS gives them, I'd say 7 years is the magical number. 10 years should be the limit.
2. Since I think the Angel line-up that did the Angels across America tour was PERFECT, I'd say 5 models. 6 is also ok.
3. Angels should walk till their contract is over. I find it weird whenever a former Angel walks the show. Seems like pity party for Angel-leftovers. Non-Angels should get max. 8 years.
4. The PINK spokesmodel should already get a trial in another segment in her second year. Behati got it like in her 4th year and I think that's way too late.
how would you guys answer those questions?
VSfan88 24 Nov 2014 06:01:47
I think 2010 was a good show too. All in all, that was probably the last show with most of the songs fitting the segments.
2011 was a big downfall imo since the ballet-segment was a weak starter, followed by that superhero-segment which featured one of the worst collections ever in VSFS history and the music wasn't hot either.
Everyone complains about the 2009 show but the music was great (except for the Leona Lewis-remix)
VSfan88 21 Nov 2014 07:14:55
^you mean a steampunk-segment? I just finished designing one
VSfan88 20 Nov 2014 06:26:22
so this year the show recycled three themes... "Gilded Angels" is pretty much the "golden" segment from 2000, "Dream girl" reminds me of 2003's "sexy kittens" and "Angel Ball" is obviously "Black tie holiday" from 2008... well, and PINK remains shit (??)
VSfan88 20 Nov 2014 06:23:46
That's exactly my thought... the VS people know shit about what music fits what segment.... I mean "I knew you were trouble" for Snow Angels?? That was very irritating. Some songs happen to fit but in the end it always seems like there could have been better song choices. Exception is the PINK segment... the shittiest segment always have the best music.
Vsfan88 19 Nov 2014 15:03:33
someone on tfs managed to recognize all the girls on the "confirmed" board and chanel was not included ... If the number of 48 models is correct, then she didn't make the cut.
Vsfan88 19 Nov 2014 10:00:22
Clearly "inspiring" to them, not to the people that watch the show. And i think the reason why girls like caroline trentini didnt make the cut is because they still approach the casting like in the old days where you'd have to have something mysterious and something in the eyes. Now you have to act like a girly girl and goofy like daniela braga to be considered a stand-out. Just compare the castings from like 2003 and the castings now. In the old days you wouldn't see any model smiling and waving hands in the casting. It was all about a fierce walk and fierce expression. Now when u do that, ed or monica will say "u look angry".
VSfan88 19 Nov 2014 08:12:57
why everyone insists that Cara will walk? No signs have indicated she will
VSfan88 19 Nov 2014 06:25:43
and I'm pretty sure Lindsay's angel-contract is over! She had to attend castings!
VSfan88 19 Nov 2014 06:15:31
and Monica finally stopped saying "curvy" ... now it's "well-proportioned"
VSfan88 19 Nov 2014 06:03:02
wow... Romee Strijd looks like Toni Garrn when she was young.... maybe Romee replaced her
Vsfan88 19 Nov 2014 05:38:21
I was surprised to see caroline trentini in the casting... And apparently didn't make the cut
VSfan88 18 Nov 2014 09:28:24
Shit... I really can't accept the fact that unique remixes aren't a given part of the show anymore.
VSfan88 18 Nov 2014 06:17:06
according to IMG Models, Elsa is now a Victoria's Secret Angel!
Hosk made her runway debut during the Spring 2012 season, walking for Christian Dior, Giambattista Valli, Carolina Herrera, Oscar de la Renta, Acne Jeans, and Joseph Altuzarra. However, she received her big break courtesy of Victoria’s Secret annual televised fashion show. Most notably, Hosk was selected to appear in numerous seasonal print and television advertising campaigns for the sportswear and intimate apparel behemoth; She served as a brand ambassador for its Pink line for two consecutive years, and recently received the company’s prestigious “Contract Angel” title.
VSfan88 18 Nov 2014 06:08:49
@nicko: you could "imagine" those songs being played in those segments? You just summed up what the article says
VSfan88 18 Nov 2014 06:07:44
uuurgh... I knew it.... everything could be very promising but once the musical guests are announced I'd have a WTF reaction.... too many performers which means all the segments will have no unique soundtracks.
VSfan88 17 Nov 2014 15:54:10
and YEEES! Taylor Hill has a very promising look to be the next big VS star. It's quite obvious that VS wants American spokesmodels but all the very gorgeous girls have always tend to be non-American for the past few years but Taylor Hill really has the potential and I do think she'll be a true bombshell once she matures and becomes a woman... but when it comes to choosing Angels, VS is so STUPIDLY BLIND! I wouldn't be surprised if they'd completely overlook Taylor.
VSfan88 17 Nov 2014 15:44:00
I find it kinda odd that so many people think that Natasha fits VS.... she's also more on the skinnier side.. don't really see the connection therefore.
VSfan88 16 Nov 2014 15:58:40
@John: I don't think so... for the last couple of years, everyone was pretty understanding that VS always wanted to give an angel a big comeback whenever one of them came back from pregnancy. That was the case in 2010 with Adriana, in 2011 with Miranda and in 2012 with Ale. Everyone seemed fine that Candice got it last year because most of the people were rooting for Doutzen (also a lot for Ale) to get it in 2014 and Adriana in 2015.
vsfan88 16 Nov 2014 04:44:47
The thing is so many angels got something special after having a baby. So fans are upset that doutzen is not getting anything special.
VSfan88 15 Nov 2014 13:29:54
anyone noticed that Lindsay E. is not in the fitting video by vogue?
Vsfan88 12 Nov 2014 07:17:36
@nathan: not really sure why it would be racist as vs has taken inspiration from the attires of several cultures before with their russian, scottish or spanish segments. Irritating thing is that as long as it's a caucasian culture it seems ok, but once it's a non-caucasian culture it's racist and stereotypical portrayal.
Vsfan88 12 Nov 2014 07:12:41
i think it was nivea that had a campaign with "normal-sized" women before and that campaign was also bashed. the lesson of it all is that u can never make everybody happy.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2014 07:16:39
I think the 2012 show had great energy. It's not one of the best shows, but I wouldn't call it a bad show either. Watching recent vs shows, I realized that it's truly all about the music. You could have an amazing segment, but if the music sucks, then the whole segment is sorta for the trash bin. But when you have a shitty segment, but the music is great, then the whole segment appears better than it is (which is the case for all recent PINK segments)... my point is.. don't get too excited by the fitting pics before you watched the whole segment with its accompanying music.
VSfan88 10 Nov 2014 07:18:08
this year's show will feature 79 outfits and the names of the six segments are Gilded Angels, Exotic Traveler, Dream Girl, Fairy Tale, University of Pink and Angel Ball ... FAIRY TALE!! I had the same idea for a segment with the same name
VSfan88 10 Nov 2014 07:09:17
Iggy Azalea recently did the VS PINK nation tour... so maybe she'll also perform at the show but other than that no hints so far. I imagined Pharrell performing "Happy" in a "magic trick"-segment with him performing in a white tuxedo. That was way before the song got popular.
As for Toni: yes, everyone can have their opinion, but I also think that she's got one of the most exquisit faces in the fashion industry but for some reason she doesn't have that "fresh vibe" anymore imo. Was it confirmed somewhere that she didn't make it or didn't even go to castings?
VSfan88 9 Nov 2014 16:01:26
chanel confirmed? Proof please
VSfan88 8 Nov 2014 07:38:47
I think it's a good time for Ale and Adriana to leave now. Some people guessed that Lindsay will leave soon as well and I think that would be realistic. She had time to make a household name for herself and she failed to do so. I think especially when you're contract is about to expire you should really get out there and make a name for yourself and do something very promising. If you don't, then you get kicked out like Selita, Izabel and Erin as the recent example.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2014 11:00:06
yes, stop being so dramatic. 10-12 models of the 42 models are PINK girls anyway. So still there are 30 models for 5 segments. Sure, some of the non-PINK girls will still get only 1 outfit but it's normal for a fashion show when some models only get 1 outfit. For some reason, people always expect each model to get at least two outfits at the VS show but that was never a VS tradition. It only happened in 2003 and 2006 as far as I can recall.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2014 09:07:24
I don't know why everyone is always bitching around. Yeah there are a lot of newcomers and yeah they do look like girls and not women but as VS fans you guys should know that the younger girls always end up doing PINK anyway. It's a pleasant surprise to me that they hired Yumi for the show. She's indeed exotic but I guess she'll only be walking in the PINK segment.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2014 09:04:13
the show is taped on dec. 2nd and will be aired on dec. 9th
Vsfan88 5 Nov 2014 19:34:03
Wow... The last additions are kinda lame choices. And really Chanel?? Well she ain't no Miranda or Gisele. She will need vs show to stay somewhat relevant but still
VSfan88 4 Nov 2014 16:59:26
and I'm still waiting for the first sketches to surface
VSfan88 4 Nov 2014 16:58:15
I'm kinda surprise that they do castings so early this year... weren't they always 2-3 weeks before the show?... now it's 1 month before the show and almost all the models are already confirmed.
VSfan88 4 Nov 2014 16:56:08
this PrinceArcav-user said it
VSfan88 4 Nov 2014 16:07:56
I find it utterly random to contract three girls to become angels at the same time. But I guess Elsa is a no brainer. The second one will probably be Lais... such a shame that she physically has it all but her personality seems so bland. And no. 3.... I have no idea who would deserve an Angel title among VS's current favs.
VSfan88 4 Nov 2014 16:03:47
it's weird that Ed allegedly said there will be 3 new angels... so, an overload of angels again? I'm pretty sure some current angels are leaving? I'm assuming Adriana and Ale will go very soon. Two fantasy bras would have been amazing to make the 20th anniversary show special but they decided to do it this year... maybe because they know Adriana and Ale won't be around till next show??
VSfan88 2 Nov 2014 13:16:50
jasmine having her own little vs commercial
VSfan88 29 Oct 2014 07:07:20
^maybe they shot the fb a little later this year cause they wanted to give it to Doutzen... that would explain why it's taking so long for them to reveal who wears the fb this year.
VSfan88 27 Oct 2014 06:05:55
the only thing I'll have to get used to is that Candice and Behati are going to be the new leading angels. It comes to me as a surprise especially in Behati's case
VSfan88 27 Oct 2014 05:58:02
^I will wait for one very important factor before I judge this year's xmas commercial - which is the music! If the music rocks like last year with Banks' "Waiting game", then it might be good... even though I like the teaser so far. It was quite reminiscent of the "what is sexy"-commercial featuring Gisele, Heidi, Adriana and Laetitia.
Vsfan88 26 Oct 2014 05:44:47
Iggy azalea is going to headline the Victoria's secret pink nation back to school event... Does that mean she could also perform at this year's vs show??
VSfan88 14 Oct 2014 07:17:04
this year all the Angels were mentioned in the promo announcement. I was expecting VS to drop at least one girl
VSfan88 2 Oct 2014 14:20:33
I think nowadays there's a serious lack of pretty models... everyone looks so bland. So I do think Kendall would fit VS since she does have a pretty face. The Kardashians do have a cheap impression on me as well, but if you would leave that out, then Kendall would be a good fit for VS... I'd prefer her to Karlie, Lindsay, Lily A or Chanel.
VSfan88 12 Sep 2014 17:10:50
a model that got my attention this season so far is most definitely Angela Ruiz. She's definitely VS material and I hope she gets more shows and also tries out for the shows in Europe. She's a pleasant surprise to me cause girls like her are usually considered too pretty for high fashion.
VSfan88 12 Sep 2014 17:04:20
@Selita fan: I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but uuurgh Chanel?? Girl just ain't sexy. She can gain as much weight as she wants she doesn't have it. She's not ugly by any means but she's not VS material. Her weight gain only caused her having a puffy face now which makes her face even less model-like.
VSfan88 12 Sep 2014 16:59:02
I also don't see KK returning to the VS runway anytime soon, just like Gisele or Miranda. They don't need VS anymore to stay in everyone's radar unlike girls like Izabel or Selita who are quite VS's failed projects to make models household names (regardless of how amazing they are).
VSfan88 30 Aug 2014 17:18:13
Doutzen accepting the ice bucket challenge. Look at her body after just one month of giving birth to her daughter. I knew she would get back in shape in no time. Still a chance that she got the fantasy bra this year. Got my fingers crossed
VSfan88 30 Aug 2014 14:14:22
@JLovesB: That's like saying Doutzen wore Heidi's 2009 outfit .... some parts of the outfit might be the same but the overall impression make them completely different.
VSfan88 28 Aug 2014 13:33:04
^that outfit wasn't even included in the 2007 show
VSfan88 27 Aug 2014 13:44:59
Now even Adriana has accepted to do this ice bucket challenge-thing
VSfan88 20 Aug 2014 05:25:39
the top five per category is too much for me. So I only post my favs in each category:
-favorite Angel of all time:
-favorite segment of all time:
Russian babes
-favorite outfit of all time:
Caroline Trentini's "Russian babes"-outfit
-favorite fb:
2003 fb worn by Heidi Klum
-favorite wings:
Miranda Kerr's "Ballet de fleur"-wings (hands down!)
-favorite segment opener:
Gisele in 2005
-favorite VSFS.
2005 (only die-hard fans understand )
VSfan88 12 Aug 2014 07:36:17
Since VS has made so many irritating angel choices for the past few years, I've lost my interest for the Angels. Of course I still like the current veterans like Ale and Adri, but they don't seem smart to me because they have been with VS for too long. Many professionals leave their field on a high note for the reason so they'll be always remembered by when at their peak. There's a reason why Tyra left with people wishing she stayed longer, while Heidi left with people saying "it was about time". So for me it's not even about not giving the newer Angels a chance because I like the older ones better. It's just really that the newer Angels don't have the "it"-factor (except for Candice). Let's say Adri, Ale will leave. Doutzen will probably leave soon after (or even before). Then the hype for the Angels will DIE! Maybe the concept of the angels will still be known but no one will know who is an Angel anymore ... well that's already something that non-VS fans don't nowadays.
VSfan88 12 Aug 2014 07:21:08
@Syl: Sorry, but "diversity" is the last word you should associate with VS' current angel cast.
VSfan88 12 Aug 2014 07:17:26
It might be true that Behati's wedding would of course stir much more buzz but Lindsay's wedding didn't even get a bit of media coverage! I didn't even know she married till I saw nicko mentioned it. Same with Lily when she gave birth - NO ONE CARED! I only found out because I knew she was pregnant but it seemed like she never gave birth
VSfan88 7 Aug 2014 19:08:31
if Martha is going to become an Angel... then VS scored another flop... that's so VS
VSfan88 6 Aug 2014 04:47:09
Everything has its heyday and the Victoria's Secret Angel cast were at the top with Tyra, Gisele, Heidi, Ale, Adriana and KK. It's just pretty sad though that VS doesn't even seem to do everything to keep the Angel-concept popular as it was. I mean, how can you with Karlie, Lindsay, Lily, Chanel etc.??????!!!
VSfan88 1 Aug 2014 07:34:18
I usually don't use this word, but Doutzen looks so "fierce" as CK's face of their newest fragrance "REVEAL"
Doutzen can be seen with actor Charlie Hunnam in the commercial. I'm so sure CK booked him because he was the original pick for the "50 shades of Grey"-movie. Too bad for them that he backed out and got replaced by Jamie Dornan! If they only went with Jamie in the first place as he was a prominent face for CK as well.
VSfan88 24 Jul 2014 03:43:05
@nicko: err... Ronnie was just saying that he thinks Anne V and Adam looked better together. That's it. He wasn't saying Behati looks so ugly or something, so no one was being disrespectful towards Behati
VSfan88 19 Jul 2014 11:26:52
@Ronnie: well, skinny models seem to be the new "curvy" for the VS staff, so I don't see them using a plus-size model anytime soon. VS wants 'em all skinny. They don't hire standouts. So no plus-size models, no male models, no trannies, no celebs and no oldies.
VSfan88 19 Jul 2014 11:20:01
Adriana should get the fb next year with the 20th anniversary show, so I don't think it's a great idea to give it to her this year but hey then again: VS has become known for doing stupid decisions. So Karlie probably get it next year
VSfan88 11 Jul 2014 10:36:19
@Alexis: wasn't Chanel also a huge fav of Ed??... and look where she is now
@Ronnie: I also prefer Erin to Lindsay. So many people say Lindsay is a good spokesperson but to me she always sounds so rehearsed, never spontaneous. Almost robotic. She has a pretty face but her body seriously resembles a stick. Her VS swim cover with that black swimsuit is one of the unsexiest VS covers ever.
VSfan88 20 May 2014 05:14:05
@Alefan: If Doutzen is not gonna get the fb (for some reason), then I would also prefer Ale from all the other potential fb-contenders. I would be quite irritated if Behati or Lily (God forbid) would get it.
VSfan88 20 May 2014 05:12:32
Doutzen looked super fit after just one month of giving birth to her first child. She's due in late July. I think it's very realistic to count her in as a possible FB-contender. Plus, she was scheduled to fly to the moon this year. That would also be good for PR, even though I don't know if those plans are scrapped now with her pregnancy. And last but not least, she should get it this year since I don't think she will stay that long with VS anyway. I can see her leaving before the 2016 show.
VSfan88 20 May 2014 05:06:04
@cekk93: Probably because VS has become super patriotic which is why all recent Angel additions are Americans. Plus, Idk Lais personally, but she does seem a lil bland as a model. If they wanna type-cast someone to embody the "exotic Angel", they should go for Shanina Shaik or Daniela de Jesus.
VSfan88 1 May 2014 01:59:58
A clip of Adriana and Fernanda in their early VS years. It kinda surprises me how much exposure models used to get back then. Now, if a random model does a VS shoot, no one would do media coverage for that.
VSfan88 16 Apr 2014 07:04:25
It's way too early to say how many models will walk the show... I thought that has been already established
VSfan88 16 Apr 2014 07:02:59
one more show and then the 20th anniversary show is coming our way... will it be as epic as the 10th anniversary show?
VSfan88 9 Apr 2014 22:51:35
urgh, all the random Angels thrown together in one commercial.... even Candice can't make up for that
VSfan88 7 Apr 2014 04:22:55
I get it when people think rosie is a bombshell. She's indeed more of the sexy type of model but for me she's more FHM than vs. Probably the same as marisa but marisa who i also wouldn't have hired as an angel has the perfect personality for the media. Rosie is "sexy" but doesn't really standout imo. Put her next to doutzen and adriana in her best days and rosie would pale in comparison.
VSfan88 6 Apr 2014 11:19:41
Well maybe i also wouldn't have chosen izabel and selita in 2005
VSfan88 6 Apr 2014 11:12:09
Wou.. if it would have been up to me to decide i would have done everything exactly the same with the angel choices till 2008 when they chose doutzen. In 2009 i would have chosen candice, emanuela and bar refaeli to become angels and at the same time let candice take over behati's spot as the face of pink. Since there was the rumor that emanuela was under contract with uk clothing brand next, i would have gotten her in 2010 to the angel wagon and at the same started to promote edita and maryna a little bit more. In 2011 i would have started hiring irina shayk to do the show and made her replace adriana and ale after the 2012 show. Since jessica gomes started getting back in shape in 2012 i would have snatched her up since she's truly an asian bombshell. I would have realized after a while that emanuela doesn't stand out in interviews and kicked her out in favor for shanina in 2013. Miranda would have naturally in earl 2013 like she did in reality and i would have let doutzen go as well. So my current angel group would be consisting of candice, bar, irina, jessica gomes and shanina with toni garrn as the next angel in mind. Lily a, erin, lindsay, chanel, rosie and karlie would have never happened. Therefore rosie wouldn't have gotten the transformers and bar would have gotten it, making her even more known. Therefore the angel group would be still strong without adri and ale. The way the group is now in reality. The visibility of the angels is so screwed once adri and ale leave. Stupid vs team and their recent angel choices, but the saying goes: you shall reap what you sow and the harvest will be very poor.
VSfan88 2 Apr 2014 04:44:16
Back then I used to love sharing my VS angel contenders with everyone but too much happened over the years with VS. So many random girls have become VS angels lately without any star power-appeal. Makes me kinda lost interest in following the VS angels.
VSfan88 27 Mar 2014 07:53:01
Lily Aldridge looking smoking hot in the "very sexy"-commercial. I wished she knew that playing the smiley-girl-next-door doesn't fit her. She looks so much better and even kinda "angel-worthy" if she was more like this:
VSfan88 22 Mar 2014 11:28:34
^Marloes is a pretty girl but I would be disappointed if she became an Angel. I'm a little sick of another cookie cutter girl becoming an Angel. Want more diversity unless it's Toni Garrn
VSfan88 19 Mar 2014 03:24:40
@lua6: I also noticed Ale pouting a little too much in the last VS show... the last VSFS in general wasn't strong for me.
VSfan88 27 Feb 2014 23:29:20
Ale also appears in the campaign of her own clothing line and the photos look very nice and have a great summer-feeling.
She's also going to be the in the current season of Germany's next topmodel
VSfan88 26 Feb 2014 02:19:00
three covers for the march 2014 cover of Turkish vogue ... and all graced by Doutzen The first cover is truly a snap shot!
VSfan88 24 Feb 2014 10:11:07
^no, I thought you were referring to one of my comments... why should I have a problem with you? I have better things to do than judging people that I don't even know
and to answer your question - she did SI twice and it was indeed during her time as a VS angel
VSfan88 23 Feb 2014 23:15:05
^are you referring to Behati? I also think she didn't look the best in the 2012 show... similar to the 2013 show.
PS: I mean Doutzen looked divine in the 2012 show - especially her slow motion close-up in "Dangerous liaisons".
VSfan88 23 Feb 2014 05:42:52
For what it's worth, I prefer Doutzen skinnier. I think she looked too bulky in the 2009 show. In the 2011 show she looked divine but she looked her best in the 2005 show.
As for Behati I don't think it's a weight thing but more how you style her since she has a very big jawline and it always surprises me how good but also how bad she can look like depending on the styling.
VSfan88 22 Feb 2014 09:40:40
^someone's trying to be sarcastic? Out of all people, how can you not be sure that Selita did SI
VSfan88 19 Feb 2014 10:46:28
Even though I think it's utterly irritating that now even SI tries to sell us Chanel as sexy, I think Chanel did a great job. I saw some of her SI pics and even though she is as thin as a rake, she knew how to work her angles to look as "curvy" as possible.
VSfan88 18 Feb 2014 10:41:57
Good news for everyone - according to this article, it's realistic that Doutzen can make it to this year's VS show... maybe even shooting for the fb
VSfan88 18 Feb 2014 10:38:38
^sorry Leah, but you need to get your facts right. Miranda and Ale did SI before? I would love to know when that was because they never shot for SI
And with "the unknown models"-thing I was referring to rookies and since I mentioned Adriana, Candice and Ale (yes, she has never done SI) before, I thought that was clear.
Giving Tyra and Heidi as an examples does not count. Times have change and they have appeared on the cover almost 20 years ago... which is crazy when I see the number now
VSfan88 18 Feb 2014 07:30:44
plus, SI doesn't even pay much... so financially it wouldn't even make sense to do SI for Adri, Ale and Candice
VSfan88 18 Feb 2014 07:25:45
With the hf and commercial success Adriana, Ale and Candice have, they ain't gonna do SI anytime soon. SI goes more for girls that are either unknown/only known for doing Guess or for girls that used to be hf successes but became physically "too big" for it which is why many of the rookies this year are indeed surprises.
VSfan88 17 Feb 2014 13:26:03
hahahahaha oh god malloy you just made my day with that comment.... but seriously - CHANEL IMAN???? What's wrong with SI?
VSfan88 17 Feb 2014 04:13:04
Among the rookies of the new SI issue are Gigi Hadid, VS catalog regular Cris Urena and Emily Ratajkowski, who's probably best known from the "Blurred Lines" music video. There's another rookie called Valerie van der Graaf who looks innocent and sexy at the same time. I got my eyes on her
VSfan88 17 Feb 2014 04:01:09
now I'm quite curious to see where the SI cover will lead Lily A's career to. The last girls on the cover indeed became household names with occasional hf work. Will Lily A manage to achieve the same?
vsfan88 16 Feb 2014 03:23:15
I know that nina and christine have done si before but si has plenty of regulars and i just didn't see that coming that they would go for them. I think also there's a reason why they went for three girls since i don't think they have someone in their squad now that is strong enough to sell an issue by her own except for kate upton but she's been on the cover for he last two years and that's enough
VSfan88 14 Feb 2014 05:33:16
that's quite a random choice for the 50th anniversary issue cover
VSfan88 2 Feb 2014 23:47:52
aren't all VS regulars called Angels at some point? Ale's post is not even reliable when you think of it. As if she's going to write "Transforming #angels except for Lais"
VSfan88 2 Feb 2014 09:12:09
I don't think that Karlie's height makes her stand out negatively. Oluchi also did a promo with the other angels before and she never stood out negatively. Karlie is NO ANGEL MATERIAL. THAT'S WHY she stands out negatively, and not because of her height.
VSfan88 2 Feb 2014 09:11:01
@Leah: I know. That's why I'm aching for VS to finally confirm her as an official Angel. Even the Angel's intro can't be trusted anymore since they mentioned Lais
VSfan88 30 Jan 2014 13:02:32
and I'm wondering if Elsa's inclusion in last year's angel intro actually means something. Will someone already confirm that she is an official angel now or just the second to Lais who's mischievously played by VS
VSfan88 30 Jan 2014 13:00:36
Kelly Gale is one of the few girls that keep VS sexy. I thought she was the total package ... and then she started talking in that casting vid. She will have to show that she does have the personality for the limelight.
VSfan88 30 Jan 2014 12:58:29
and it doesn't matter that Asia is the biggest continent. VS doesn't even have stores in big Asian cities such as Shanghai, Tokyo or Hong Kong. But still I would love to see an Far East Asian girl finally becoming an Angel. And Sui He does is the best choice from the group of relevant Asian models.
VSfan88 30 Jan 2014 12:54:17
sorry selitafan, but do you really always have to bash other black models? Selita is surely history. The fashion industry is done with her and besides no one was comparing Cindy to Naomi so why bother even bringing it up?
VSfan88 26 Jan 2014 09:45:31
I also agree with everyone: Doutzen for fb 2014 and then Adriana for fb 2015. Since Adriana and Ale will most likely leave VS after the 2015 show, I'll wonder what VS will feel like. I know it ain't going to be the same. That's probably the time when VS depends on a new generation of fans. The ones that admired the Tyra-Gisele-Heidi-Adriana-KK-Ale-era (like me) will probably move on.
VSfan88 24 Jan 2014 06:31:38
And thinking about models that truly have the total package ... hmm, I would say they truly missed out on Bar Refaeli. I'm also thinking Shanina Shaik. She'd also bring something completely new to the table since VS never had an Angel with similar looks. It's like what Monica said in the VH1 Angel across america-tour special: "It's very difficult to find an Angel"... yeah back then, when they still had high standards
VSfan88 24 Jan 2014 06:26:33
Since VS seems to look for spokesmodel-potential in a model first these days (that's the only reasonable explanation why models like Lily A get to be Angels), I think that's the reason why Lais hasn't been offered a VS contract yet. She got the looks but her English is still far away from making her a good spokesperson. so why offering her a VS contract when she does the same work for less money?
VSfan88 11 Jan 2014 01:59:42
I'm wondering which outfit this was supposed to become
VSfan88 10 Jan 2014 11:13:27
Toni's hair transformation: http://models.com/oftheminute/?p=61680
VSfan88 10 Jan 2014 09:36:56
and the question arouses: What the hell is Chanel doing in that shoot?
VSfan88 8 Jan 2014 00:36:41
in the end it also reads Candice ...
and Lily looked highly unprofessional and clueless in the shoot. Especially next to Elsa
VSfan88 4 Jan 2014 08:19:33
My recap of the 2013 show:
These are my 5 favorite outfits:
These are the 5 worst outfits imo:
These three models were standouts to me:
Idk who it was again that said Ale seemed irrevelant, but Ale was anything but irrevelant in the 2013 show. She truly worked her three outfits. Her shipwrecked-walk was probably my no. 1 highlight of the 2013 show.
Elsa has already caught my attention in the 2012 show but in the 2013 show, she truly became a fav of mine and I'm happy that all signs lead to the indication that she's now becoming a true Angel.
I think Adriana is self-explanatory even though I agree that she should become a lil more "serious" on the runway.
And these were the three biggest fails for me:
Karlie is just NOT VS material and more even so with that short hair. Damn was it akward when she tried to look seductive in the shipwrecked-segment. Big fail! meeeeh
Behati seems like a cool girl but she's another girl that isn't necessarily VS material. They dolled her up perfectly for the 2008 show but in 2013 her make-up looked scary and she should learn to work her facial angles.
Sigrid was probably the most forgettable newcomer of all VS shows. There went another wasted spot.
VSfan88 31 Dec 2013 23:50:07
well, there was the rumor that Erin got dropped because she's "difficult to work with".
VSfan88 25 Dec 2013 09:43:54
^if you use firefox download downloadhelper. If you use chrome download FVD video downloader and you can get everything you watch or listen to online
VSfan88 21 Dec 2013 01:22:21
wow she can move... but on a serious note: What is that clip good for other than making teenage boys and lesbians drip?
VSfan88 18 Dec 2013 10:22:24
selita fan should be the one to update selita ebanks' wikipedia page
VSfan88 18 Dec 2013 10:21:01
sorry, but I really don't understand what it is with all these weird suggestions for performers. First Lorde and then OneRepublic? I really don't think they have good runway music. I let "Secrets" pass even though it would have had a lot of potential as a mash-up... urgh, VS has moved on from unique mash-ups and remixes... i should start getting used to it
VSfan88 17 Dec 2013 01:12:59
I think modeling should be seen as a job that is obviously not the most difficult one, but at the same time it's not as easy as people always think. It does come with lots of perks but also with sacrifices and we shouldn't be oblivious to the negative side of modeling just because we envy too much the positive side of it.
VSfan88 16 Dec 2013 07:51:26
I cut Barbara some slack - how tiring it must be to always keep your body in shape. Discipline is not something easy to maintain.
VSfan88 16 Dec 2013 01:14:42
@NO: I merely said that Barbara still models. No one ever denied that she works less than she did a year ago. And a lot of people observed that she's gained a little weight, so gaining weight doesn't fly with high fashion. So everyone can do the math: Gaining weight = less modeling work
VSfan88 15 Dec 2013 07:02:08
^yes, she's still a model. Just because she prefers to tweet about boys, it doesn't mean she's out of work. And I mean, she's a young girl - i don't blame her.
VSfan88 14 Dec 2013 11:33:24
since the bra was specifically mold on Candice's body, I also don't think it would fit Adriana
VSfan88 14 Dec 2013 10:15:20
^yup no longer an angel
VSfan88 14 Dec 2013 00:21:27
Closing the night for CBS, the “Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show” pulled a strong 3.4/10 in 18-49 and 9.7 million viewers overall — down 6% in 18-49 from last year (3.6) while up slightly in total viewers. It was Tuesday’s No. 1 program in both 18-49 and 18-34 (4.1/14).
VSfan88 14 Dec 2013 00:16:42
the only good thing about Candice not wearing those harp wings is that it got safer on the runway since that leprechaun aka akon was jumping all over the place... could have ended in a disaster.
VSfan88 13 Dec 2013 03:08:31
oh man, when I see Candice in that heavenly bodies-outfit, it reminds me of how much I would have loved to see those harp wings on the runway but of course Candice couldn't open her mouth on time and admit she couldn't handle those wings, so they could have given it to someone who could
VSfan88 13 Dec 2013 00:50:39
just watched the show in a better quality and now I think that "say something" quite fits the shipwrecked-segment. Every girl tried to look and move like a fairy to that slow song and not overdoing anything. It's also the first time I liked Lily A on the runway because she was posing without her clown-grin and she can look so pretty without it. Cara was a complete misfit in the Parisian night-segment. Especially because all the other models looked so sexy which made her even look more ridiculous. Wished they would have kept the close-up from Kelly Gale in the show that was used in a promo for the show.
VSfan88 13 Dec 2013 00:41:04
I also think Candice's opening outfit looked a little bit ... empty. Something was indeed missing to that outfit.
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 23:47:24
I just really miss the mysterious appeal that the Angels used to have. Now VS wants them all to be girly girls on the runway like they are some freaking girl band Love Doutzen for keeping the sexiness in the show alive. She's a rare specimen of models in the show that will eventually become extinct.
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 10:37:25
why does a black model HAVE to open a segment? there has been several shows were all openers were non-black... in 2006, 2009, 2011
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 10:26:20
yeah, I would also be sad to see Doutzen go but she never seemed to be first choice for anything that VS does. When the 3-year-contract thingy still applies, then her contract is up next year and I don't see her lasting for another 3 years. But she seems to be the only acceptable contender for me for fantasy bra 2014. Adriana should wear it in 2015 or maybe they give Alessandra the fb next year. Her fantasy bra last year has been the only fb so far that actually found a buyer, so VS might think of her that she can truly sell something.
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 10:19:52
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 10:19:35
and I loved the holiday commercial that was showin' during the broadcast which was like 2 min. long... anyone knows the song that was playing?
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 10:18:11
just a crazy guess but I wouldn't be surprised if news about Doutzen leaving VS surfaced soon... it's just the way VS uses her seems like they wouldn't mind to let her go anytime soon.
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 10:14:42
lol, the music this year wasn't good at all by any means... except for "Trouble" by Neon Jungle of course... i specifically despise the two segments ruined by the fall out boy-songs - especially when Taylor walked in and started to talk like it's her concert
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 10:10:05
haha selita fan those are quite a lot of lols
VSfan88 11 Dec 2013 05:38:07
yeah, I noticed that too and I was also so sure someone would call it "diva-ish". Same with KK in the 2008 show when her outfit ripped and she asked the camera people to stop filming and boom she was called a diva. When you're annoyed, it's normal to be straight forward and say "stop" instead of "if you don't mind, can you please stop?", it's not being diva-ish per se.
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 23:27:21
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 23:19:56
i missed the credits... so who were introduced? Adriana, Ale, Doutzen, Behati, Candcie, Lindsay, Karlie, Lily and I read Elsa? Anyone else?
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 23:12:00
I think Barbara's outfit in parisian nights is my favorite this year... it's simple but yet very sexy - the way it supposed to be.. could have live without the head piece though
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 23:10:46
yeah, they barely showed Constance in "shipwrecked" and Lily seemed to have improve her walk because they were also just showing her from waist up
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 23:05:57
there was another song playing in the beginning of the parisian night-segment. That got my hopes up that it would be a remix... but of course NOT
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 23:04:25
i just don't like how Taylor was standing in the middle of the runway. She really needed to know her place and stop looking like Akon in 2010. And Cara looked anything but hot with her double-chin laugh ... gross
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 23:02:34
exactly, the commercial was great and the song was very intriguing and fitting. Wish they would do the same with the music for the show
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 22:14:41
hate it the song for the first segment. But "shipwrecked" had good editing and the song went fine with it
VSfan88 10 Dec 2013 07:12:55
weird how attached people are to their cells, so even when they sit in the audience of the vs show and the musicians perform and the models are walking, all these lucky bastards do is to look at their cells.
VSfan88 8 Dec 2013 23:33:32
yeah Martha did fine... a little too much of the sentence "it's better than ever" but she was quite on point with her answers.
VSfan88 8 Dec 2013 01:59:32
VS used to sell underwear for males but I don't see them doing a comeback in that department any time soon, let alone hiring male models for the show. And also what would the outfits look like? Especially in segments like "birds of paradise"?? I don't wanna offend anyone, but I guess Monica would have to say "the overall theme of this year's show is christopher street day".
VSfan88 8 Dec 2013 01:42:51
and personally I don't like the recent shows as much as the 2003-2006 shows because the show is abandoning more and more what I associate with the show: sexy models, inspiring outfits and especially the unique music. Now it really has become tacky and also a little too girly girlish... the "first kiss"-interview with the angels in 2006 was mature. Women were talking. And then they did a similar interview with the angels in 2012 and they behaved like little school girls, blushing, giggling and trying to act cute...
VSfan88 8 Dec 2013 01:29:22
I think it's pretty normal when fans act rather negative when something they love changes. The ratings might have increased in recent years but like angelista said it's because of the trendy performers the show has hired, so people watch the show because of the performers, but do they really appreciate the VS show itself like us fans do? I highly doubt it.
VSfan88 7 Dec 2013 05:00:23
The music of this year's show will probably be as weak as the music from the 2011 show... so far I think only "Trouble" by Neon Jungle fitted like a glove to a segment which is PINK while the other segments either have ill-fitting songs or songs that just kinda fit but where better choices could have been made. I hope that the "Parisian nights" will turn out to have a mash-up since all we seen from that segment was Adriana opening. Maybe it includes more than just the Miley Cyrus-song. Got my fingers foolishly crossed.
VSfan88 7 Dec 2013 00:36:40
Ballet de fleur was the only part of the 2008 show that had good editing. I think the Birds of paradise-segment this year lost much of its magic and impact because the song doesn't fit the segment at all... it just made the whole collection look so random. I would be very pissed if I was the designer for the show.
VSfan88 6 Dec 2013 05:24:32
and of course let's not forget about the editing as well. The 2008 show was very strong but the editing DESTROYED it.
VSfan88 6 Dec 2013 05:22:54
I so agree with you NO! which is why I don't think the 2009 show is that bad anymore since 80% of that show's music was very nice.
VSfan88 6 Dec 2013 02:48:02
Is it just me or was Sigrid Agren probably the most forgettable newcomer of the show?
VSfan88 6 Dec 2013 02:14:23
part 3 of the "creating the collection"-series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc2LLm-mKKk
VSfan88 6 Dec 2013 02:10:19
Jourdan was much smarter with her response and it seemed to be almost like a private interview since it was never used against her in some gossip websites ... it was posted only on instagram (was it?). And so she did run ALL performers down but is it any worse than criticizing Taylor only? No, since no one cares about the other performers anyway... even VS doesn't care - they only bother to promote Taylor and maybe Fall out boy -- the other two acts no one gives shit about. Doutzen even called Neon jungle "Neon girls" and on some gossip websites they are mistaken for Little Mix.
VSfan88 6 Dec 2013 01:51:39
yeah, the animated girls in the video looked like sluts but some outfits and the stage design looked better than the actual show... and the video also made me think that Lais would have been much better for the Snow Angels-outfit that went to Magdalena.
VSfan88 4 Dec 2013 23:36:37
PS: But not that I would think VS doesn't deserve any credit for Gisele's success. They indeed had their fair share of doing so.
VSfan88 4 Dec 2013 23:35:24
I think Gisele still would have been super big even without VS. Prior to her Angel-contract, she was indeed a rising supermodel in the fashion industry. And she was mainly an Angel by a time when VS wasn't globally that known. Her relationship with Leo made her globally a household name. But in Adriana's case, I do think VS made her.
VSfan88 4 Dec 2013 07:49:23
haha they just mentioned Taylor because they know the others are clearly not worth mentioning.
VSfan88 4 Dec 2013 07:48:15
hmm...why was Ale sucking her cheeks so hard?
VSfan88 2 Dec 2013 01:33:40
^because VS is trying to be high fashion... but if they wanna be more high fashion, they should stop creating so many embarrassing outfits first
VSfan88 30 Nov 2013 00:35:18
That would be quite surprising if they would do two fantasy bras for one year but I highly doubt they will do it. Doutzen should get the fb next year, even though her contract is up next year and she could possibly be out before next year's show. I have the feeling Adriana and Ale will leave VS at the same time and when that happens, VS will most definitely focus more on Adriana than on Alessandra. But I could see them getting a farewell-special á la Tyra Banks in 2005. For that special, they could use Adriana and Ale posing together in the finale of the 2010 or 2011 show, respectively.
VSfan88 29 Nov 2013 00:52:16
forbes finally renewed their list of the world's most successful MALE models... it's kinda ridiculous how little male models earn in comparison to their female counterpart http://www.forbes.com/sites/vannale/2013/10/08/the-worlds-highest-paid-male-models-2013-oprys-1-5m-still-far-from-giseles-42m/
VSfan88 29 Nov 2013 00:47:30
That "urgh"-moment when another random model becomes an Angel
VSfan88 27 Nov 2013 10:44:28
@zalvi85: It's no rumor - it's really true. "Enchanted forest" had a mash-up. Here you can see a live-video of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pZbTiqo-5A
VSfan88 27 Nov 2013 01:20:45
with the lack of more and more unique remixes and mash-ups in recent years, the 2009 show doesn't appear so bad anymore. The collection might have been weaker than in previous years but music can compromise for so many things. "Star trooper" started off with great energy with the BEP performance, "All aboard" and "PINK" also had great mash-ups. "Enchanted forest" also had a great mash-up but Idk why they didn't keep it for the tv version
I just hated the Leona Lewis-remix but that's it. 4 out of 5 segments had great music.... THIS YEAR? just 1 out of 6... i'll see if I'll change my mind in 13 days when she show FINALLY comes out dammit
VSfan88 26 Nov 2013 10:04:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aNFrOOFGoE was this already posted? And there Shanina really was at the casting and she got rejected and how many times they wanna invite Dominique Piek to do the castings? They ain't gonna pick her anyway. And I think Sharam Diniz looks very pretty actually... much better than Cindy Bruna
VSfan88 26 Nov 2013 09:35:02
@Leah: I guess for high fashion snobs, high fashion is avant garde. it's art, it's individual, it's high society whereas commercial is ... yeah, pleasing the collective taste.
VSfan88 26 Nov 2013 05:37:30
I think Kelly Gale is perfect for shoots... but since I saw her in the VSFS casting video, there's something about her presence that doesn't translate in motion.
VSfan88 24 Nov 2013 06:52:12
and I agree that Doutzen, Adriana, Alessandra and Candice are the only Angel-worthy girls. Throw in one more model and the number would be perfect. Unfortunately, reality looks different: Behati will most definitely go nowhere now she's with Adam Levine (even though I highly doubt she'll get as big as Miranda with a celeb bf). Can't wait for Lily A and Lindsay get the boot. The next few years also won't have a perfect Angel line-up due to Karlie's recent inclusion. The last time VS has made a perfect Angel-choice seems painfully long.
VSfan88 24 Nov 2013 06:45:47
^yeah, it's said that they gave Ale also a "Snow angels"-outfit for the finale, so she doesn't look out of place when she poses with all the other angels in front
VSfan88 23 Nov 2013 23:38:51
and I hope they ain't gonna try replacing Miranda's and Erin's spot with new angels... they have enough angels... I prefer that they finally cut down the numbers of angels to 5-6 again.
VSfan88 23 Nov 2013 23:36:43
I wouldn't buy too much into that picture just because they got high priority in make-up and hair since it also specifically says "not on vs contract"
VSfan88 22 Nov 2013 07:10:59
I found some VS skteches for the 2006 show... interesting that they thought of an Asian-themed segment
VSfan88 22 Nov 2013 00:50:34
wow Todd is most definitely gone, huh? I don't know how to feel about Sophia being the head designer for the show now...
VSfan88 21 Nov 2013 09:26:11
vsfs 2013 promo vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckLqXOyY_r8
VSfan88 21 Nov 2013 07:14:28
^god, when I saw Jac's and Malaika's outfits I literally ask myself how can the designers look at that and not feel pure shame?
VSfan88 20 Nov 2013 00:19:15
^exactly my same thought? but on the bright sight they stopped showing so many celebs in the audience and the people backstage saying "Adriana standing by" etc. ... also maybe "Parisian night" had a mash-up/remix... has anyone seen the entire segment yet?
VSfan88 17 Nov 2013 07:04:45
someone on tfs was very attentive to find this:
Cara's "Parisian night" outfit is an exact copy of an outfit from the Antonio Berardi SS2010 collection
It's not real plagiarism per se though since that Antonio Berardi show was also styled by Sophia. But I find it a lil sad. It's just her third year with VS and she already has to re-use her own outfits for another show... and ironically Monica of course had to say about this year's show that they never run out of ideas, it's actually more the case that they have too many ideas... yeah too many ideas my ass
VSfan88 17 Nov 2013 06:49:10
@alfasecret: Actually Sui He's English has improved A LOT! Watch this from 2 years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPf1Yibt7As
and now this recent interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaSzWpkAyJQ
It's just her accent is in the way. But her vocabulary has expanded for sure.
VSfan88 17 Nov 2013 04:17:49
well, she was asked about her own opinion about the music guests and if she didn't like any of them why should she pretend she does? It has nothing to do with arrogance... she just kept it real instead of sweet talking about them
VSfan88 17 Nov 2013 00:35:16
haha love you Jourdan http://instagram.com/p/gqoDngsGls/#
VSfan88 17 Nov 2013 00:02:07
haha Magda looks almost edited into that group shot of the Angels. I guess that's the only chance for a non-angel to feel like an Angel.
VSfan88 16 Nov 2013 05:28:15
I also think they're running out of ideas. It's like they have an idea for a segment but not enough ideas to design like 10 outfits for each segment, so it appears to me as if each segment has very strong but also quite mediocre outfits.
"British Invasion" seems fun even though the outfits don't look like as if they belong to the very same segment
"Bird of paradise" is the most beautiful segment imo, even though I don't like Lais' outfit - too much going on
"Shipwrecked" is (like I said) very vague in its theme... it kinda leads to nowhere
"Parisian nights" is fine with me, even though I'm not sure if the simplicity is intended or they didn't really know what to design as well
"Snow angels" has also some very nice ideas but Karlie's jumpsuit outfit is just
"PINK" is messed up like always but Elsa truly worked her hideous outfit and made it look actually pretty cool
VSfan88 15 Nov 2013 02:32:43
Toni in her shipwrecked-outfits looks very reminiscent to Raquel in her "jungle" outfit from the 2002 show. Speaking of Shipwrecked - I think the segment looks so sketchy... not really distinctive.
VSfan88 15 Nov 2013 02:23:49
I think Sui He can be perfect for VS. She can really turn into a pretty doll. Don't like Doutzen having been working out too much again, so the she-hulk came back.
VSfan88 14 Nov 2013 01:21:09
PINK might always end up being the worst segment outfit-wise but the music fits every year.
VSfan88 14 Nov 2013 01:20:04
I think there were a lot of great outfits. As for the music: I HATE IT WHEN THE SONGS DON'T FIT THE SEGMENTS. WORST SONG CHOICES EVER! HATE IT
VSfan88 13 Nov 2013 02:18:29
that's how's supposed to go down i want to keep an optimistic attitude but this is really too much
British Invasion
Birds of Paradise - Fall Out Boy
First Taylor performance
Shipwrecked - A Great Big World
Pink - Neon Jungles
Parisian Nights
Snow Angels - Taylor Swift
VSfan88 13 Nov 2013 02:04:55
I don't mind a little interaction with the models from the performers but yeah they should definitely know their place. Maybe it's just me who has a pet peeve for people who always stand in the way but I find Akon looking very stupid and clumsy in 2010 for not knowing his place.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 13:43:42
yeah, why so pessimistic about a show that no one has even seen yet and it will even take another month before it gets aired
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 13:32:51
luckily Lorde wasn't announced to be performing. "Royals" is not an exciting song and should most definitely not be used for the opening segment. As a mash-up/remix it could work but not in its original version.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 11:18:42
aargh... completely forgot about the fact that VS has the unnecessary talent to mess up a lot with their choice of songs these days... oh unique mash-ups/remixes... R.I.P.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 09:59:42
I think everyone is also quite irritated that they have kept the performers under wraps for so long and of course you would expect someone really big and then it's 4 performers and none of them are really great surprises. Maybe it's just me being disappointed that they haven't gotten Lady GaGa to perform since I almost anticipated her to be there.... i was so sure haha
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 09:03:24
that's quite a head piece ... i hate it when the designers get too literal... "Parisian Nights" and of course an outfit will feature a mini version of the Eiffel tower. Seriously?
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 08:57:14
@karla: yes, "Snow angels" is very reminiscent to "glacial goddesses". Seems like VS likes to recycle themes or Sophia likes to show to people her own versions of past themes.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 08:54:40
Speaking of Todd:
just look in the mirror and the guy in the reflection looks like an Asian version of Todd.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 06:18:36
^oh yeah you right... I almost forgot kof songs were used for PINK back in 2009.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 05:04:41
For some reason, I'm looking forward to see Malaika Firth in the show. I think she still looks like a baby but perfect for PINK. Also she seems like a rising star since she's the first black model since 20 years to have been chosen for a Prada campaign.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 05:02:39
yeah but kof and OneRepublic are not necessarily "PINK" material. I get Taylor for PINK but her new song... I really don't think it's a runway song and actually I don't even know if Taylor has good runway music... because I barely know any of her songs
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 00:19:51
Behati's fittings: image
I think this outfit is a lil too costumy and those wings are too wanna-be Ale's wings from "Wild things"
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 00:16:53
that would mean all the newcomers are revealed since Adriana said there will be 12 newcomers.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 00:14:46
here's the currently last update of the rumored list on tfs
1- Adriana Lima
2 - Alessandra Ambrosio
3- Behati Prinsloo
4- Candice Swanepoel
5- Doutzen Kroes
6- Karlie Kloss
7- Lily Aldridge
8- Lindsay Ellingson
9- Elsa Hosk
10- Lais Ribeiro
11- Barbara Fialho
12- Izabel Goulart
13- Jessica Hart
14- Jourdan Dunn
15- Josephine Skriver (newcomer)
16- Ming Xi (newcomer)
17- Sigrid Agren (newcomer)
18- Caroline Brasch Nielsen
19- Kelly Gale (newcomer)
20- Hilary Rhoda
21- Devon Windsor (newcomer)
22- Ieva Laguna
23- Martha Hunt (newcomer)
24- Jasmine Tookes
25- Sara Sampaio (newcomer)
26- Sui He
27- Cindy Bruna (newcomer)
28- Joan Smalls
29- Constance Jablonski
30- Magdalena Frackowiak
31- Jacquelyn Jablonsqui
32- Monika Jac Jagaciak (newcomer)
33- Maryna Linchuk
34- Erin Heatherton
35- Malaika Firth (newcomer)
36- Toni Garrn
37- Kasia Struss (newcomer)
38- Maria Borges (newcomer)
39 -
VSfan88 12 Nov 2013 00:09:18
@hec4321: then next time don't try to be sarcastic, if you can't handle the backlash.. and now relax
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 23:58:08
^exactly. It doesn't need an "expert" to know that
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 23:55:20
I hate so many random performers.... all the suspense... for two no names?
@Corey: No one said Gracie will walk
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 23:53:10
^there's no such thing like an official line-up till the show happens
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 08:43:21
another model that has been associated with this year's fashion show is Romee Strijd. I think she's a hotter version of Lindsey Wixson. Wouldn't mind seeing Romee in the show.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 08:36:03
^no but former Angels can also walk the show
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 07:01:27
@Nathan: Shanina is already said to have been rejected for this year's show. Still have my fingers crossed for Toni
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 06:56:34
I highly doubt the models' private life would effect their chances to walk the show. Back then when Tyra and Naomi were still feuding, VS still hired Naomi even though Tyra was one of their biggest Angels... so no extra treatment for anyone. If VS wants a girl, they'd still get them no matter how the other models feel about it.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 02:26:55
eer... ok, what does Leonardo have to do with it? Also like I said... it's an incomplete list - there's still hope (and Toni better show up )
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 02:10:31
@evang18: it was indicated that her body is not "runway-ready"
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 02:09:21
wikipedia is really not reliable at this point... and also an incomplete list from tfs
@hec4321: Just google Cindy Bruna and you'll know who she is
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 01:43:50
crazy but someone posted on Shanina's fashion spot thread that she went to castings and she got freakin' rejected. And Barbara P is still said not to be chosen for the show either. It's irritating how the VS people say about Shanina "in the editing room, everyone was asking who's this girl?" or about Barbara P "we got an awful lot of response to Barbara asking who's that girl?" but yet reject them and always choose so many random girls that no one would ever express interests for.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2013 01:37:31
now KK is in the ranks of those girls that they always call "too big to do the show. She doesn't need VS."
VSfan88 10 Nov 2013 06:58:55
the last spots should go to Daniela de Jesus, Shanina Shaik, Joan Smalls, JuJu Ivanyuk and Toni... I would also count Edita in, but she was shooting for Ck when castings were around. So don't expect her this year
VSfan88 10 Nov 2013 01:49:20
Isabeli and Gracie won't walk the show.
Jac, however, is confirmed
VSfan88 10 Nov 2013 01:48:30
yeah, I've seen this article... we'll see how reliable it is since it was posted 5 days ago and still no other media outlets talking about her being in the VS show. Might be a rumor
VSfan88 10 Nov 2013 01:35:13
we'll find out in three days anyway ... so just be patient for another 3 days
VSfan88 10 Nov 2013 01:31:46
how come? ... because VS hasn't announced it yet.
VSfan88 10 Nov 2013 01:30:39
*IOne Direction
VSfan88 10 Nov 2013 01:29:46
all I know is that VS has announced that Once Direction will NOT perform at this year's show
VSfan88 10 Nov 2013 01:18:55
isn't it more exciting to find out who's in the show after the show took place and pictures are out? Also, it has happened a lot that "confirmed girls" ended up not being in the show. So just wait till the show has happened.
VSfan88 9 Nov 2013 06:14:44
hmmm... I'm nervous that Sui He won't make the show. Rumor has it that she's busy shooting for CNTM
VSfan88 8 Nov 2013 10:20:33
yeah I also thought this is a Candice-outfit but since Candice's fantasy bra outfit is most likely to be in the same segment, she's obviously not available to wear this it
VSfan88 8 Nov 2013 09:15:53
urgh... the sketch most definitely looked better
VSfan88 8 Nov 2013 08:34:53
first bad news:
Irina Shayk will not walk in this year’s Victoria’s Secret fashion show. We hear the Russian model and Sports Illustrated cover girl had to back out of auditioning because she’s too busy filming Brett Ratner’s “Hercules,” starring Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson. VS auditions are this week, but the lingerie line’s “Angels” Alessandra Ambrosio, Candice Swanepoel, Adriana Lima, Lily Aldridge, Lindsay Ellingson, Karlie Kloss, Doutzen Kroes and Behati Prinsloo are *already confirmed.
VSfan88 8 Nov 2013 07:56:21
Candice didn't start off as a fit model... that's what Ed said in her little segment in last year's show but Candice was the fit model for the 2008 show but she already had done the 2007 show by that time and Andi Muise was the fit model of the 2007 show.
VSfan88 8 Nov 2013 02:09:07
the music will be a very important part though. "you make me wanna die" is not necessarily the best runway song and most def not one to use as an opener for the vs show. the DJ gets away with it cuz the models have to take all the crap. btw, even though I expressed my wished for Kelly Gale to make it, I gotta say she was quite underwhelming in the casting vid. A sleepy voice and the long hair looked so heavy on her. I would have requested her for castings but the way she handled herself.. I wouldn't have booked her... let's see how she'll do in the show.
VSfan88 8 Nov 2013 01:43:01
^oh that also could be because of the sleeves
VSfan88 8 Nov 2013 01:39:25
shipwrecked must be a pirate segment since Behati's outfit with the wings looks awfully like captain hook
Can't wait to see the birds of paradise-segment since I also came up with this theme for my own little VS sketches.
VSfan88 8 Nov 2013 01:27:28
I'm not so sure about the rumor that Barbara and Irina can't do the show because of "Hercules". I mean, if so why would Irina even go to the castings in the first place if she knew she would not be available anyway?
VSfan88 7 Nov 2013 08:53:26
I just watched the last Etam fashion show to see who could also fit in the VSFS and there is this model called Flavia Lucini who has a REALLY REALLY nice phsyique
VSfan88 7 Nov 2013 08:49:13
@modellover91: VS just loves to hire models that are "in" in high fashion right now and Cintia and Marija just aren't anymore and therefore outta their radar I guess. As for Valentina, she holds an exclusive contract with Ralph Lauren which doesn't make her available to do the show. but idk if she's still with Ralph Lauren though.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2013 08:43:30
^they have yet to be announced. I don't know but I think castings aren't done yet or most definitely not when the society management confirmed 4 of their models for the show. Maybe VS chose more girls that are under society management. Just not all on the very same day.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2013 08:16:51
I just read the post about Kelly Gale being confirmed - that seemed almost surreal that she really made it since she disappeared from all Paris/Milan/London fashion shows last season. That's also the first news that excited me
VSfan88 7 Nov 2013 00:35:40
just because the Society management gave away four names of their models being confirmed for the show, it doesn't automatically mean that all the other models under their management got rejected for the show. I highly doubt they confirm all the girls in one piece. It's more of a gradual process. So there's still hope.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2013 00:28:14
As for newcomers I would love to see Kelly Gale and Daniela de Jesus and PLEASE no Lindsey Wixson--- since when does she look like VS material?
VSfan88 7 Nov 2013 00:21:25
... meh, not really impressed with the non-angels confirmed so far. Jessica Hart looks better in print than in motion. Sigrid Agren seems so tiny and plain - I'll have to see how she'll do. Josephine Skriver is an alright-choice. Ming Xi and CBN are kinda the same type of models. They have sharp features so it will depend on the hair and make-up but I'll don't know if the VS team can pull it off since they always have more of a cookie-cutter style rather than accentuating every model's individual looks
VSfan88 6 Nov 2013 09:05:39
Lauren Layne is an interesting choice since she's only done one runway show so far (correct me if I'm wrong). So she's probably a John Pfeiffer-favorite.
VSfan88 5 Nov 2013 23:19:05
that's because Cara is far more known as Frida
VSfan88 5 Nov 2013 00:08:08
it did have somewhat of a spoof-feeling since all I heard from the voice over was "Victoria. Victoria's Secret's Victoria. Victoria only at Victoria's Secret. Victoria"
VSfan88 4 Nov 2013 09:57:44
I think it's actually good when they don't give away so much - they used to give away so much information that everyone already knew who's gonna perform, which models will walk, which outfit they gonna wear so the excitement was already taken away. I actually like it when they are more secretive.
VSfan88 4 Nov 2013 01:03:57
why bother announcing so much about the show when it ain't get aired till dec 10th anyway?
VSfan88 2 Nov 2013 14:56:38
thx dd... interesting that they ask her to go to the casting since she's not a fashion show-regular.
VSfan88 2 Nov 2013 02:01:13
I think the model on the very left is Ji Hye Park... It would be interesting to see more Asian models besides Chinese for VSFS
VSfan88 2 Nov 2013 01:48:05
I've been waiting for Irina to finally make it to the show... I remember someone posted a pic of her with some VS Angels before and some of the Angels paled in comparison standing next to her and I can imagine that might be her disadvantage. She's hotter and even more known than some of the Angels... I don't think the VS people would want a non-Angel to steal the show of the Angels.
VSfan88 2 Nov 2013 01:43:39
^I still like the casting videos because those are always the one thing that makes the show finally appear to manifest but it's true that Ed and Monica end up saying the very same thing... but I mean, what else is there left to say?
VSfan88 1 Nov 2013 00:56:45
I'm so surprised that Lorde keeps getting mentioned... her songs don't fit VS AT ALL! And why would the idea to feature no music acts cross the minds of the producers? The VS shows always had music acts since the beginning of its tv airing. It's part of the show and the VS people would be fools to believe their current VS angel set is strong enough to attract a lot of viewers. PS: I'm still rooting for Lady GaGa as this year's music act, even though her new single with R. Kelly is not really runway-music and I never really liked "Applause". I hope she releases another single that she can perform in the show.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2013 06:23:48
maybe Adriana appears "bigger" because she is always posing with these skinny girls. Put her next to the average person and you'll see how thin and tall she actually is.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2013 01:52:35
when it comes to Adriana in last year's show: Fact is, if she wasn't an Angel, she wouldn't have been casted with that body. Fact is also, even though she wasn't 100% runway ready, she was far from being "fat" and she's probably the one that can attract the most viewers out of all the Angels.
VSfan88 30 Oct 2013 13:25:26
Adriana is long past her prime-time but seriously cut her some slack... no one is getting younger and it's a normal thing when beauty gradually fades away and the body changes... especially when having two babies already. Still Adriana is my fav angel because she seem to have a very goofy and humble personality.
VSfan88 30 Oct 2013 13:23:07
^yeah, it's so easy to be ignorant and forget about she had a baby just barely two months prior to that show...jeez
VSfan88 30 Oct 2013 05:22:54
^Adriana just wore it for a skit.. it's obviously not real VS work since the girls next to Adriana aren't even models but some actresses.
VSfan88 29 Oct 2013 11:24:44
just watched the 2001 show and the inclusion of extreme high fashion girls such as Omahyra, Karen Elson or Audrey Marnay made the sexy-type of models stand out even more. It must have sucked for Anouck to walk after Tyra because she completely paled in comparison to Ms. Banks. Adriana was also a total stand-out and I think Emma Heming was a perfect Angel-contender back in the day.
VSfan88 29 Oct 2013 00:14:20
and linz, it's a sad thing to read about your friend and I think it's really difficutl to boost her self-confidence because self-confidence is greatly influenced by how other people make us feel but just like whereisthewine has already expressed beauty is ephemeral. It's a great advantage to be born beautiful but in the end it's the way you are that make people truly care about you. Your friend needs to realize that.
VSfan88 29 Oct 2013 00:08:01
I think some people really need to be educated about the fact that pictures in magazines are generally always photoshopped and that the people that you see in those pictures don't even look like that in real life. Comparing your looks to someone else starts a circle of hell because it's the truth that there will always be someone that has better-looking hair, or abs, or what-not and it becomes ridiculous if someone starts comparing themselves to a professionally taken and most importantly professionally photoshopped picture.
VSfan88 26 Oct 2013 12:14:55
I also would like to see Juju to debut on the VS runway, even though she seriously has zero boobs but her face is so beautiful. As of other new girls, Kelly Gale is my no. 1 contender. Jac seems like a no-brainer and Irina Shayk would seriously not hurt either.
VSfan88 25 Oct 2013 23:39:48
yeah, it says they separate in amicable way.
VSfan88 25 Oct 2013 08:29:18
this is quite a bad year for Miranda
VSfan88 24 Oct 2013 23:09:48
and I'm pretty surprised that people still hope for Cintia to do the show... has she even done the castings in the last 2 years? Her modeling success is dwindling and her biggest thing now is pretty much SI and VS doesn't really hire SI girls. From all the 17 SI girls that were used in the current issue, only one (Nina Agdal) has done recent VS work.
VSfan88 24 Oct 2013 23:04:08
I think VS and SI can't be thrown in one category anymore. VS has become more into skinny models over the years while SI pretty much maintained its taste for sexy models. I can imagine that's the reason why none of the newer Angels appeared in SI because they don't have the sex appeal for it.
VSfan88 23 Oct 2013 02:50:30
but Jeisa had nice boobies
VSfan88 22 Oct 2013 10:57:50
oh Gisele had her name mispelled before like Giselle ... some people still pronounce her last name wrong
vsfan88 20 Oct 2013 20:52:36
I almost forgot how similar miranda and candice actually look like
VSfan88 20 Oct 2013 09:06:35
Alessandra denied to E! that it's all rumors. She and Jamie are still together.
VSfan88 19 Oct 2013 11:20:21
uuuurgh... nightmare becoming true: Chanel is back to VS http://instagram.com/p/fnf7pmEEUB/
hopefully, she ain't gonna show up at the show... there are already ENOUGH random girls with most of the Angels already. And I do wonder what's going to be like when Adriana and Ale will leave VS. Maybe by that time Doutzen is also gone and the only sexy VS Angel imo (Candice) will be stuck with Lindsay, Lily A, Karlie, Behati and Erin (?). They really need some really hot additions before Adri, Ale and Doutzen leave.
VSfan88 19 Oct 2013 11:16:27
bellazon's VS page is most def a place for haters. The vsholic shoutbox is actually a very nice place to discuss VS stuff but it's true that the shoutbox becomes a lil crazy whenever the show is around the corner.
VSfan88 17 Oct 2013 11:14:08
I think it's safe to say Bregje will be there too given the fact that she's become quite a VS regular. I've read that Erin gave an interview for Mexican ELLE or something and she confirmed herself for this year's show
VSfan88 17 Oct 2013 11:08:52
some non-Angels like Barbara Fialho, Barbara Palvin, Lais Ribeiro, Maryna Linchuk and Magdalena Frackowiak are rumored to be already confirmed.
@evang18: I think Tyra's 2004 fb was also very pretty. I would have loved to see it in a fashion show. Sometimes I'm wondering what the 2004 show would have been like if there was one and if some 2004 sketches were used for the 2005 show.
VSfan88 16 Oct 2013 22:41:29
I still hope that Behati wears the fantasy bra and Candice is only the fit model for it
VSfan88 16 Oct 2013 10:34:42
I like your sketch dennis. Echt nicht schlecht!
VSfan88 16 Oct 2013 10:33:44
^exactly and economy was really tough during the years in which Adriana got her fantasy bras
VSfan88 16 Oct 2013 10:06:04
^well... does the fb look like inspired by your sketches?
VSfan88 16 Oct 2013 09:19:28
YES! Candice made it! But I'm more surprised about the amount of money they invested in the fb this year
VSfan88 14 Oct 2013 11:47:46
I never stir drama. But see, if someone is giving me attitude I'm just gonna give them back what they gave. Guess it's called "what goes around, comes around" and not drama stirring all of the sudden for no reason. In the end of the day, you were the one that called users "know-it-all-snobs" when they correct you and you support other users with silly emoticons whenever they disagree with my comments to make it look like they exposed what I wrote as wrong and you feeling God-chosen to emphasize that. I'm all for final peace in this shoutbox but that won't happen till YOU cut the shit. Hope I made clear for you how it goes down in this shoutbox and --- yes, you are welcome.
VSfan88 13 Oct 2013 03:35:11
@Nicko: At first I wasn't sure if I should respond since your comment addressed VSfan8, but just in case I wanted to apologize that I didn't get your sarcasm but see - obnoxious people don't deserve one. Lose the attitude, this shoutbox doesn't need another drama queen.
VSfan88 12 Oct 2013 01:39:06
I think everyone wishes for the unique mash-ups/remixes back but wasn't it said before that it's not the DJ's fault? Because the DJ that has done music for recent VS shows was also responsible for the unique mash-ups/remixes back in the 2003-2006 shows. Who VS really needs back for the show prep is Alexander de Betak.
VSfan88 12 Oct 2013 01:35:22
^those were no guesses. The file names of the three sketches read "british invasion", "snow angels" and "pink"
VSfan88 11 Oct 2013 10:23:15
And speaking of "cheap models" - I think some of the rising stars nowadays are truly BLAH! Saskia de Brauw, Nadja Bender, Kati Nescher or Vanessa Axente look so common. I wouldn't use the word "cheap" but girls with it-factor looks seem to be rarities these days. I thought Julia Saner was truly someone to watch but then she pretty much said goodbye to modeling
VSfan88 11 Oct 2013 10:19:00
I think Lady Gaga is the only perfect contender. Even though I'm sick of Robin Thicke's "Blurred lines", it would be perfect for a pin-up segment.
VSfan88 11 Oct 2013 02:58:26
@nicko: what do you mean by cheap? Because all the girls you've mentioned are neither cheap-looking nor are they cheap if you wanna hire them for jobs. Some of them might don't scream "VS material" but they are far from being cheap.
VSfan88 11 Oct 2013 02:49:31
hmm... isn't it a bit early for castings to be done? Maybe they just wanted to see the VS regulars first.
VSfan88 10 Oct 2013 02:56:54
@evang18: I think Lindsay is still around since she was contracted as an Angel a year later than Erin. If Lindsay is ever gonna be dropped, it's not until next year I guess. But who knows if that three-year-contract still exists? Rosie was an Angel just a little more than a year, Chanel was dropped after 2 years. GOD; still can't wait for the news that Lily A gets dropped
VSfan88 10 Oct 2013 02:39:20
I would be quite disappointed if Behati really got the fb. I'm still hoping it's Candice.
On another note, I also remember the 2007/2008-era where I saw all the Angels + Behati posing together and there were too many Angels. They might had three blondes but they loved KK, Heidi was too important to drop and they needed Marisa as the American Angel I guess. As for the brunettes Miranda differed greatly from Izabel and I personally never seen the "twin"-effect between Ale and Izabel. But I do think it was quite a random act to hire Izabel as an Angel.
VSfan88 9 Oct 2013 09:30:08
and about Erin - I can totally see her continuing to do the show as a non-angel since she didn't quite manage to make a big name of herself.
VSfan88 9 Oct 2013 09:28:04
Nov. 13th.
VSfan88 9 Oct 2013 03:04:18
@Alexis: Imo Anais belongs to the same category with Karlie. I think both girls look actually very average and don't have strong looks. It's perfect for hf and some of the crazy make-up stuff they do, but a VS girl should naturally exude something sexy like Candice or Adriana and Anais does not.
VSfan88 9 Oct 2013 03:00:07
I also don't understand what the hell VS wants with Karlie and it will take another 2-3 years at least for her to go ... frustrating VS
VSfan88 8 Oct 2013 03:09:27
^that would be the greatest choice that VS has done in a while even though she wouldn't add any diversity to the roster. VS got enough brunettes with Lily A, Ale, Karlie and 1/2 Behati. Too much vanilla right now at VS's angel camp imo.
VSfan88 8 Oct 2013 01:56:04
and so did KK before she became an Angel
VSfan88 8 Oct 2013 01:53:43
not true. Veronika Varekova graced a x-mas catalog cover before... 2000 or 2001 was it.
VSfan88 7 Oct 2013 02:37:13
@linz: There have been several non-angels that have graced a VS catalog cover before... so it isn't that weird after all
VSfan88 6 Oct 2013 11:06:13
yeah, apparently Barbara Palvin got the cover
on another note, still no news about the fantasy bra... will there even be one this year?
VSfan88 2 Oct 2013 03:53:24
Alexis, you completely misunderstood whereisthewine
VSfan88 1 Oct 2013 13:05:01
It would be quite the surprise to see Doutzen open. I think she would deserve it but for some reason VS treats her quite stepmotherly, never really used her as much as the other Angels. Now she's the only Angel not being used for the recent body by Victoria campaign (?). Anyway, don't VS dare to let Lindsay, Lily A, Erin, Behati or Karlie open the show. Karlie has a killer walk actually, but that pizzazz somehow falls flat on the VS runway. Maybe it's the editing but it just doesn't work.
VSfan88 30 Sep 2013 03:03:39
what a shock... just so people know: He was the male model in the Versace campaign on the bike with Candice
VSfan88 29 Sep 2013 00:42:22
What is sexy? This IS!
VSfan88 27 Sep 2013 05:17:47
I only like Candice from the newer set of Angels The others are so run-of-the-mill
VSfan88 26 Sep 2013 23:51:53
please let it be Lily A, so she can't walk the show
VSfan88 26 Sep 2013 01:03:42
hmm... I do think all the girls have to do the casting. Even if VS wants to have a particular girl for the show, I doubt they will go for it blind-sighted. They still have to check up on her to see if her body is runway-ready etc. As for the contracted girls I really don't see what's the point for them to go to castings since they are contracted to walk the show and they work with VS all the time. So no need for a body-check up (?)
VSfan88 25 Sep 2013 23:44:21
interesting that Sophia is asked to submit 12 possible themes for the show each year
VSfan88 25 Sep 2013 23:41:45
what really happens at a victoria's secret casting?
it's quite common to want to be a victoria's secret model - but the idea is a less inviting one when the casting process is taken into account. "it's quite terrifying for them," says sophia neophitou-apostolou, who has been creative director of the show for the last three years.
"they are provisionally cast by john pfeiffer but the final decision is made by the whole team, sitting at this long table in a room with really harsh lighting and they have to walk towards us and away from us. They all have to do it - even the contracted girls - and it's incredibly nerve-wracking for them."
so how have the likes of gisele, miranda kerr, alessandro ambrosio, cara delevingne and jourdan dunn made the cut? "it's about being show-ready," explains sophia. "it's really like being an olympian - they have to be in peak condition. It's not about being thin or anything like that - it's about being ready to perform and be the best you can be in that moment."
unable to reveal details of her fourth show (which will take place in new york on november 13) sophia is asked to submit 12 possible themes for each one - six of which are then edited and approved. Last year, the degas ballet, dangerous liaisons and giffords circus (in which iris palmer once rode in 2000) made the cut. "as a stylist, this job takes you to a place you'd never otherwise go," says sophia, who also works with roland mouret, anya hindmarch, antonio berardi, richard nicoll and elie saab, and took over the vs reins from charlotte stockdale and brana wolf before her. "it's a real honour to follow people of such high pedigree into a job i love so much. It's brilliant fun - just complete theatre and spectacle. You should see it backstage - it's out of this world."
VSfan88 25 Sep 2013 23:41:02
@linz: Those are images taken from a short film done by Kanye West which is an extention to the music video for his song "Runaway". Selita is playing a phoenix in the short film. So nothing VS related
VSfan88 24 Sep 2013 11:05:10
@selita fan: I guess they were mentioned because the article is from the British dailymail
VSfan88 24 Sep 2013 10:59:35
as for newcomers I would love to see Kelly Gale (thx wheresithewine for mentioning her name, so I became aware of her) and it's even realistic since she's 18 now ... Jac also wouldn't hurt ... also Anais Mali is actually very hot and fitting for VS... she wasn't used the right way in the 2011 show imo.
VSfan88 24 Sep 2013 10:49:46
but the "unnecessary girls" always end up in PINK which has quite "unnecessary outfits"... so it fits
VSfan88 24 Sep 2013 01:57:42
@Nathan: According to this article, Miranda won't walk: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2416701/Meet-years-Victorias-Secret-catwalk-Angels-wheres-Miranda-Kerr-Cara-Delevingne.html
VSfan88 24 Sep 2013 01:57:13
whereisthewine: I'm 100% with you as why former Angels should never return to the show. This was the very reason why I was hopin' KK would not return to the 2010 show but by that time no one really got it and started to say "Selita and Izabel also returned blah blah blah"... but they ain't in the same level with KK.
VSfan88 23 Sep 2013 11:34:30
according to tfs, this year's show will be taped on Nov. 13th
VSfan88 23 Sep 2013 09:25:20
let's not forget about the magic of photoshop!
VSfan88 22 Sep 2013 00:51:23
@whereisthewine: international modeling credibility does matter since that's how VS notices girls. VS mainly hires models that are active in the NY, Paris or Milan fashion scene and not Tokyo, Barcelona or Miami fashion scene. Prior to VS, Miranda walked some credible NY fashion shows and did Maybelline. Candice worked for D&G, Dolce & Gabbana and also worked some credible NY fashion shows as well before VS. It might not be the biggest things but they were around. VS didn't just magically discovered them... which is true in Lily A's case though
VSfan88 21 Sep 2013 00:33:57
it would be interesting to see an Asian face in the x-mas commercial but I can't really think of one Asian model with international modeling credibility that has enough sexappeal to do it. There are just not enough Asian models that can be labeled "the sexy girl" and all brands that follow a sexy image have a tough time finding such girls. SI has Jessica Gomes, GUESS recently casted Liu Dan but both models aren't big enough for VS I guess. I can only think of Sui He to be the best selection from what can be chosen from for VS.
VSfan88 20 Sep 2013 09:48:17
@Nathan: haha nice find.... it is really a rip off - as good as it gets (even the name "top secret show" xD ) but some outfits are really nice (I kinda dig the Asian-themed segment)
VSfan88 20 Sep 2013 03:09:53
Bregje is part of the new body by victoria campaign. So she's still around. Not sure about Barbara. Erin, however, was the only angel that wasn't mentioned in the VS press release for the show. So maybe her time as an angel is up --- just guessing. Nothing confirmed!
VSfan88 19 Sep 2013 09:01:24
I also noticed all the blondes being absent from the commercial shoot so far. That probably means they shoot the brunettes first and then all the blondes together... VERSATILITY - apparently a word that VS has abandoned for the last couple of years.
VSfan88 18 Sep 2013 12:16:02
Behati needs that kind of make-up to look sexy. She ain't a natural sexbomb like Adriana or Candice. She's more tomboy naturally.
VSfan88 18 Sep 2013 07:46:30
please Candice for fb this year... not Behati. And I also think it's funny how many people used to say that Ale should not wear the fb because she ain't got the boobs for it and yet no one complains about Behati's boobs even though her boobies look definitely smaller than Ale's.
VSfan88 17 Sep 2013 23:05:31
urgh, Chanel for VS again?? hell no... and isn't it too early to already know which non-angels will be in the show and especially in how many segments they will be in? Fittings haven't even started yet. I just can hope Callum is nothing but a fibber
VSfan88 16 Sep 2013 22:42:11
because the "fans" were actually hired people as you can see when they put on a "choreography" in the PINK-section. But there are some tickets (leftovers?) available but they are freakin' expensive... we're talking thousands of dollars or something.
VSfan88 15 Sep 2013 23:13:51
As much as I love Edita.. but her chances to become an Angel seem so surreal. I'm already happy if VS would book her for the show again.
VSfan88 15 Sep 2013 04:30:34
the new coaches for the US version of "the face" will be Anne V and Lydia Hearst. And Naomi won't only appear in the UK version but also in the Australian version of the show....
VSfan88 15 Sep 2013 00:55:02
or Erin is not confirmed because she ain't an Angel anymore? How about that possibility? Rumors of Angels getting the boot mostly start that they ain't mentioned in the press releases and now that Erin isn't with Leo anymore, I guess her chances to become more known have dwindled into thin air and VS might think so too (?).
VSfan88 15 Sep 2013 00:48:58
^not necessarily... and just because it's called "British Invasion", it surely doesn't have to involve British people. VS already had two Spanish-themed segment and in both segments there was not even ONE spanish model involved.
VSfan88 14 Sep 2013 10:59:38
Dailymail said that Miranda and Cara won't walk this year's show.
VSfan88 14 Sep 2013 10:56:34
According to fashion spot, three of the segments this year will be called British Invasion, Snow Angels (2006 revamp?) and PINK (again).
VSfan88 14 Sep 2013 09:59:54
these are the newcomers of the season http://models.com/mdx/the-up-and-comers/
is it just me or do new models lose more and more of a special charisma? This one model named Kwak has something about her though. When it comes to Asian models, I see more and more exposure for Korean models. We'll see how long it will take VS to hire other Asian models besides Chinese.
VSfan88 14 Sep 2013 04:09:17
^I mean for the show
VSfan88 14 Sep 2013 04:08:57
I would be surprised if VS would hire Juliana... her career heights are long over
VSfan88 13 Sep 2013 08:07:43
and here we go again... just don't respond Alexis
VSfan88 11 Sep 2013 07:47:48
@poly: Cara is getting bigger and bigger in the high fashion scene, so I guess she has good chances to be return. Not so sure about Jourdan
VSfan88 11 Sep 2013 07:46:56
if they put some effort to the PINK-outfits like they did in 2006 and 2007 (2009 and partly 2010 was also not bad), then it would actually work but as we all could see the development, it just gets worse - hopefully it will change! The only good thing with PINK is that it always has fitting and nice music.
VSfan88 10 Sep 2013 10:46:58
seeing the sketches it also reminds me that as long as PINK maintains to be a part of the show, the show will always have a major flaw
VSfan88 10 Sep 2013 10:44:42
i love J.LO as well but she doesn't have any new material out. She said that a new album might be out at the end of the year but now that she's returning to American Idol, I think she will pushed the release back in order to be able to promote it on American Idol (but please no more singles with Pitbull )
VSfan88 10 Sep 2013 07:15:58
that smiley thing is very odd.... doesn't even go with the rest of the outfit. The other two sketches look great but they do seem like Silver Screen Angels 2.0
VSfan88 8 Sep 2013 00:39:37
^errr... Behati has always been high fashion... even though she wasn't the slimmest back in the day, she booked more than 50 shows per season
VSfan88 6 Sep 2013 01:13:24
yumi has the potential but her physique should mature a lil more. Her face especially is still a lil bit puffy and not fully developed yet but she is the perfect mixture of European-Asian looks
VSfan88 4 Sep 2013 07:11:09
@evang18: Candice is the only girl from the newer angels that I like since she can easily hold a candle to the former generation of Angels. Plus: She has an insane waist
VSfan88 4 Sep 2013 07:10:00
Andreea Diaconu wouldn't hurt as a newcomer - at least she looks like a grown woman.
@Alexis: Odd choices always end up in the odd segment known as PINK. And last year they obviously needed Dorothea to wear that hideous outfit - one of the worst VSFS-outfits EVEEER!
VSfan88 3 Sep 2013 10:06:09
sorry evang18, but I think being "just a good spokesperson" doesn't make you Angel-worthy. We're talking about models, so I do believe that having something special about you comes first. Doutzen, Adriana or Ale in her early Angel-days might not be the best spokesmodels but they have something about them which is why they are far more popular than Lindsay or Lily who might be good spokespeople but just have zero charisma imo. I know it's not fair to always compare the newer Angels to perfect Angels like Heidi, Tyra or Gisele that did have the total package, but at the same time there are indeed better Angel-contenders than Lindsay or Lily.
VSfan88 3 Sep 2013 06:39:51
I wouldn't call them trash either but definitely also NOT a really good set of angels.
VSfan88 2 Sep 2013 06:20:06
it's more than just her walk. Lily A's smile is such a big turn-off. If she stopped smiling on the runway, her overall appearance in the VSFS will seem much better
VSfan88 1 Sep 2013 08:07:33
there used to be an alternate version of the VSFS 2005 on youtube but I can't find the videos anymore since the one account that had all of them got deleted. I could only find the last segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUpPNjo-tYA&list=PL77090B567C6FE0B1 anyone has the other parts?
VSfan88 31 Aug 2013 23:03:46
if there's one thing to be learnt... VS should never seek inspiration from a non-white culture for a segment. It's just too controversial because some people will always find ways to perceive it as insulting. I wouldn't mind see an indian-inspired segment since there's a lot of inspiration to take from but I doubt Todd would even go so far to do careful research. Otherwise that native American outfit would have never happened.
VSfan88 31 Aug 2013 01:30:05
it's truly odd that Kate Upton is ranked at 15 ... I mean, her only big high fashion-related job was the cover of American Vogue... she has yet to walk prestigious fashion shows and score high-end campaigns in order to be ranked that high.
VSfan88 28 Aug 2013 03:34:15
Karolina Kurkova wasn't an Angel yet by that time
VSfan88 26 Aug 2013 07:37:59
Behati was more of a success on the runway and less in editorials and ads.
VSfan88 23 Aug 2013 06:08:21
Selita has been in the forbes list before... that was back in the 2008-edition though
VSfan88 22 Aug 2013 08:08:19
@evang18: that's because the newer girls are so blah! Except for Candice, none of them really can hold a candle to the older Angels and it still makes me wonder what the hell VS was thinking to hire them as Angels. And it's quite disputable how Doutzen didn't make the forbes list but girls like Joan and especially Hilary could. I guess Estee Lauder pays a better and better paycheck but then again where is Constance in the list?
VSfan88 20 Aug 2013 07:03:54
they must have simply forgot Doutzen because being contracted to VS and L'Oréal should have surely secured her a spot in the top 10... weird Ale is also not in the list
VSfan88 19 Aug 2013 07:53:09
Here's a clip of Ale's appearance on ANTM cycle 20... it's kinda embarrasing once you figure out Ale's laugh at 2:29 was re-used at 3:08 to make it look like as if she laughed at Tyra's impersonation of Heidi Klum
VSfan88 17 Aug 2013 12:16:01
@malloy: yes, yes proof please. I also never heard that Anne V was supposed to have a second runway outfit for the 2008 show
VSfan88 16 Aug 2013 09:37:43
Anne V looked quite "out of shape" when the castings where held for the 2009 show. So i don't think they even considered her to try on some outfits. It looks like as if Ginta Lapina was scrapped to do the show in the final cut. She tried on Rosie's "Enchanted forest"-outfit and Isabeli's "all aboard" outfit. And I guess they scrapped outfit no. 48. It looks unfamiliar.
VSfan88 16 Aug 2013 09:27:35
I also don't think that Alek is the "sexy girl" type of model. The other girls do have a more mainstream sex appeal, so they should have hired Oluchi or Liya imo.
VSfan88 14 Aug 2013 02:13:23
I remember that Flavia was supposed to walk the 2009 show but weirdly that the picture of her intended outfit looks like from another fashion show
VSfan88 13 Aug 2013 05:04:16
I perceive Erin completely different - she has zero signs of bitchy quality to me and what's so bad about a Californian girl attitude?
VSfan88 12 Aug 2013 11:36:28
Alessandra is going to be in the upcoming episode of America's next top model's cycle 20
VSfan88 9 Aug 2013 22:59:52
All I know is that VS keeps things interesting. That whole "who gets the fb"-thing is kinda like the same thing with "who will open the show?" Remember last year everyone says Miranda will open the show because her pic was first in the casting board like it always is with the opener's pic of the show. And then Adriana opened. VS screwed us over because they already knew VS fans do their homework. So there are two ways to confuse people with that Candice-pic 1) for those that don't know it's a pic from last year, probably think Candice got the fb this year even though she didn't or 2) VS banks on someone to say it's a pic from last year, so to make everyone think Candice didn't get it, even though she did
VSfan88 9 Aug 2013 22:25:47
^me too. But reportedly the high fashion world always has something for Trentini in store to prevent her from walking the VSFS (same is said about Natasha Poly as well)
VSfan88 9 Aug 2013 09:01:49
@selita fan: Same could be said about Bar Refaeli - there was the perfect VS Angel-contender (had famous boyfriend, speaks good English, has personality, has a BANGING body and pretty face) and she barely did VS. Bar, Irina Shayk, Daniela de Jesus Cosio, Edita, Candice and Shanina Shaik would have been the perfect successors of Tyra, Ale, Adri, KK, Heidi and Gisele
VSfan88 8 Aug 2013 22:42:38
VSfan88 8 Aug 2013 22:33:35
here you go ryan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XszOft1AS2M
it's towards the ending
VSfan88 8 Aug 2013 09:59:01
... like I said: Some brands hire well-known models, some don't
VSfan88 8 Aug 2013 02:10:21
^that's because it depends on the fashion house. Of course there are brands that hire model icons like Gisele or Naomi to walk as exclusives and then there are others that think too famous models would only overshadow their creations. And I'm pretty sure Karlie was talking about the latter one.
VSfan88 8 Aug 2013 01:50:19
^I guess it's restricted to fame in the fashion industry. Agyness Deyn also said something similar before
VSfan88 8 Aug 2013 00:28:30
we'll see... maybe Behati will work the fb? Back then, I never thought that Miranda was a girl for big wings and the fb, but she proved me wrong. Still think it's odd that Behati will apparently get it.
VSfan88 8 Aug 2013 00:25:03
haha that wedding picture reminds me of an interview with Jessica Stam where the interviewer talked about Doutzen's wedding and Jessica was like "she got married? I didn't know. I wasn't invited" and the interviewer was like "oops "
VSfan88 7 Aug 2013 09:49:47
it's bigger in here http://postimg.org/image/hayjii9wj/#codes
VSfan88 7 Aug 2013 09:48:53
^I won't since words without any sources are just rumors. Is this Martha Hunt on the very right?
VSfan88 7 Aug 2013 01:59:33
@evang18: Same opinion. I like her as a model but I think she's getting something that she isn't meant to get (like Chanel opening "Heavenly bodies". Sorry VSAngel, but in this case I really hope you're just a fibber
VSfan88 5 Aug 2013 04:38:08
^Barbara Palvin and especially Kate Upton are quite unrealistic. Why not throw in Andrej Pejic's name as well?
I guess it's going to be Candice for fb this year. According to some comments, Adriana and Doutzen weren't around on the day the fb pics was shot and for some reason, I don't think VS would let any other Angel wear it at this point.
VSfan88 4 Aug 2013 00:27:27
new miu miu ad campaign starring Adriana Lima, Anne Verhallen, Daphne Groeneveld, Emily DiDonato, Georgia May Jagger, Hind Sahli, Katlin Aas, Lindsey Wixson, Marina Nery
VSfan88 4 Aug 2013 00:26:24
that's old news that Tyra apparently changed her thinking about Karlie. She called Karlie her fav model years ago.... whereisthewine, I thought you posted that pic because it looks like as if Karlie is copping a feel
VSfan88 3 Aug 2013 06:19:53
@alfasecret: thx for the link - I always love to see material from the 2005 show... it's crazy that's almost been a decade
VSfan88 1 Aug 2013 04:58:02
and Behati looks freakin' skinny
VSfan88 1 Aug 2013 04:57:53
I totally agree that it was more of a production problem than rather the girls' problem... and honestly: The whole event was utter nonsense... "talking about make-up, how they stay fit, how to work wings"... all heard before
VSfan88 31 Jul 2013 22:46:37
I think it's too early for Behati to get the fb. A lot of people still think Adam is still with Anne V. So I guess, at this point Behati is more like "another girl" and not like "Behati, Adam's girlfriend". They should marry first and get kids, so Behati will also have the boobs for the fb.
VSfan88 31 Jul 2013 22:03:21
My bet is on Candice (I see Doutzen rather wearing it next year)
VSfan88 28 Jul 2013 04:11:20
^I would say it's unlikely to happen since the "VS girls meets high fashion"-trend is slowly decreasing. They do appear once in a while in ad campaigns but the times of them walking shows is kinda over. But never say never I guess since Candice is still the face of one Versace fragrance.
VSfan88 25 Jul 2013 08:56:44
^and besides that, she already books the most non-VS campaigns out of all the Angels (except for Karlie) and actually she can get bigger - she just needs to date some celeb or appear in a blockbuster movie. Sky's the limit
VSfan88 21 Jul 2013 11:39:36
weirdest pic I've ever seen from Toni ... and it's because for VS catalog
VSfan88 21 Jul 2013 11:37:03
VSfan88 21 Jul 2013 11:35:27
weird http://www.pic-upload.de/view-20131963/1000803_10151688306294090_697671232_n.png.html
VSfan88 21 Jul 2013 11:34:43
a peek inside the 2013 VS Fashion Show workroom
VSfan88 21 Jul 2013 10:47:00
I will never understand how freakin' hot someone can look like in front of the camera for a commercial but then completely falls bland and clumsy (talkin' about Lily A)
VSfan88 21 Jul 2013 10:45:03
@Nathan: Actually Marisa's walk wasn't good. Lily A's walk might be worse but it doesn't make Marisa's walk better... let's say less worse??
VSfan88 19 Jul 2013 23:36:33
^I also never heard that Kathy did VS before. I never heard of her doing lots of big things as a model. Only the SI covers and I think she also covered US vogue.
VSfan88 17 Jul 2013 23:09:52
I like Behati but I don't know if she has the boobs for it still think Candice and Doutzen should get it before she does
VSfan88 17 Jul 2013 08:49:50
and Adriana will be the face of Miu Miu again
VSfan88 17 Jul 2013 08:23:08
^and you just hit the nail on the head - Gigi looks stunning but is more for LA and Miami model scene but not really for big things somehow
VSfan88 17 Jul 2013 08:21:45
@Alexis: .... I guess I would prefer Kasia to Dorothea
VSfan88 16 Jul 2013 23:47:48
@Alexis: No, it's just that you were so excited about Kasia doing VS and imo she does not fit VS .. you know some people are quite sensitive in this shoutbox, so I wanted to make clear that my "urgh Kasia" was NOT a reply to your excitement for Kasia
VSfan88 16 Jul 2013 11:46:02
1st part of a documentary about Liu Wen:
VSfan88 16 Jul 2013 03:38:20
just for the record: No offense Alexis
VSfan88 16 Jul 2013 03:37:34
urgh Kasia? When they gonna give me Edita again?
VSfan88 16 Jul 2013 03:37:03
haha true... i also read somewhere that it's been criticized that Brazilian designers use so much Caucasian-looking Brazilian models in the Sao Paulo and Rio fashion week, even though the majority of Brazilians have dark skin
VSfan88 15 Jul 2013 01:18:54
@Jay: I also have the feeling that Lady GaGa might be the one VS wants to get this year since (like you said) her album will come out soon. I thought the songs performed by Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj and Justin Bieber all fitted the PINK-section but their fashion was quite disputable - even though Todd designed the outfits for Katy and Nicki (not sure about J
VSfan88 15 Jul 2013 01:13:20
One last post to you CL since your drama-attempts are annoying (and I'm not gonna respond to it anymore): my posts never get deleted but yours do - I wonder why that is
@T.G.: If you don't mind please delete all the previous drama-posts
VSfan88 15 Jul 2013 01:11:33
@Aleryna: haha I know CL tries to make this shoutbox a drama-forum like the one on bellazon.com
VSfan88 14 Jul 2013 00:42:37
VSfaux? It's VSfan88 - check your posts before actually posting them, then you wouldn't have to make such a moron of yourself
VSfan88 13 Jul 2013 07:33:01
@linz: I think VS tried to give Lais another chance to standout when she was originally scheduled to open "Dangerous liaisons" and I'm almost sure she would have been in the intro for the 2012-show as well. That all went downhill when she reportedly twisted her ankle and couldn't walk the show - I think that was a huge setback for her VS career
VSfan88 13 Jul 2013 07:28:37
@malloy: ah alright... good to know! But you have to admit she never walked Dior and never did Bottega Veneta and Chanel in her first season but you are always welcome to prove me wrong ... @CL, anything else to add besides a ?
VSfan88 13 Jul 2013 07:19:03
@selita fan: you just keep going on comparing Gracie with models that have more exposure because they've been Angels. First it was Lily A and now it's Selita. What's not clicking? How about you think about if Selita was never made an Angel? She wouldn't even be at Gracie's level of success. Selita is literally the only model from all the angels that never had something big going on besides VS (expect for Lily A)... and being linked to celebs as one of many other people or appearing in a reality-show like "celebrity apprentice" isn't quite the big thing when you compare her to Heidi, Tyra or Miranda if you wanna talk about models with high profiles. And last but not least since some people in here feel attacked very easily: I never have the intention to start a "war" - just having a discussion jeez
VSfan88 12 Jul 2013 04:53:22
^and Lily A is second in line
VSfan88 12 Jul 2013 04:50:37
Selita has great personality but she must be the only Angel that VS was never able to make a success in high fashion (Miranda, Candice) or a household name (Heidi, Marisa, Rosie and Miranda again) of.
VSfan88 12 Jul 2013 04:48:42
@selita fan: just because you don't know her as a regular model, doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve to do a VS gig. Your so beloved Selita came also out of nowhere when she was upgraded to become a VS angel. If you don't like her nose. Ok. But don't argue that she doesn't deserve to do VS by indicating she isn't even successful enough to do a VS gig because from all models that have done VS promotions, Selita had the lowest profile out of all of them
VSfan88 12 Jul 2013 04:39:07
@malloy: where did you get your information from? Izabel never walked for John Galliano and Dior and she walked Balenciaga and Chanel in her 2nd runway season and that was after her VS debut. Her first runway season was SS 2006 for shows like Missoni, Bottega Veneta or DSquared², but being just one of many girls in those shows
VSfan88 12 Jul 2013 04:13:48
@selita fan: wow, you really seem to hate Gracie. I thought she was adorable in her country girls-outfit - the perfect mixture of cute and sexy like I said before. And how can you compare her to Lily A? Lily A is a VS angel, so of course she gets talked about because she has constant work with VS. Gracie's last VS gig was the 2010 show - how can you expect people to talk about Gracie for 2 1/2 years, when she hasn't done anything big with VS ever since? And now she got promoted to do that VS gig and the feedback from the people in this shoutbox at least were positive. Just "criticizing" that she's so small next to Lindsay and Magda. The only hate she gets is from you
VSfan88 11 Jul 2013 06:19:22
but still we are talking about spokesMODELS and you can't be serious if you would think she physically fitted VS and her personality wasn't at Sofia Vergara-level anyway
VSfan88 11 Jul 2013 06:12:50
@selita fan: I was always wondering when VS will put more flavor into their Angel cast again but when you come to think of it, VS wants models that are successful in hf and at the same time got the looks to transition to commercial modeling and there are no sexy black or Asian models right now that would fulfill that. So I'd rather have no black or Asian model than a token black or Asian Angel á Chanel Iman (WORST decision EVER!!)
VSfan88 11 Jul 2013 06:08:00
@Selita fan: Don't you think that Jourdan has more of a hf look? She doesn't look commercially beautiful to me whereas Gracie is more of the commercial pretty girl - perfect for the image of VS. And I don't think fashiontv confused Joan with Selita because Selita was so memorable to them... it's just people confusing two models with the same features. Happened many times with Iza and Ale as well.
VSfan88 11 Jul 2013 06:05:42
I like Gracie a lot... I find her the perfect mixture of cute and sexy. I get what people say about her nose but c'mon - that's a little bit of a picky thing to say. She isn't the tallest model but those are little bit unfortunate shots since she's standing in the middle and also next to the tallest models in the group. She wouldn't looks so tiny next to Lily and Ale.
VSfan88 9 Jul 2013 03:25:33
I think generally every model that works as successfully in hf as Jacquelyn does can be called "too skinny", depending on the angle they were photographed at. Jacquelyn might seem a lil "healthier" looking because she (in comparison with other models) has a bigger face and not so apparent cheekbones.
VSfan88 1 Jul 2013 08:01:56
@evang18: I think Gracie can hold a candle to the Angels - ESPECIALLY to the newer additions. There aren't many black models with the sexy look. So I think Gracie fits the best. Lais is also more of the sexy girl-type but she was always has this bland expression on the VS runway.
@whereisthewhine: i don't think that Toni is a one off thing for VS - she closed last year's show and on the official VS facebook-page there is an app that follows all the tweets only from the Angels and it features also Toni's tweets (Miranda, Barbara P and Lais are the other non-angels that are featured in that app as well) - so I think we can expect more from her doing VS
VSfan88 1 Jul 2013 07:53:08
I also think that English skills is the answer to the unsolved mystery why so many hot girls aren't Angels. All the mentioned girls like Cintia, Maryna and Lais speak very basic English - not enough to become a good spokesmodel (idk about Magda's English).
VSfan88 1 Jul 2013 07:50:48
enough of this Valeria Sokolova girl - nobody cares
VSfan88 30 Jun 2013 00:42:33
wow... they upgrade Gracie to do an event? Well, she must be another token black girl. Wasn't Arlenis the token black girl last year? Such a shame - I like Gracie. I think she's the only dark-skinned model right now that is sexy enough to become a VS angel... still waiting for a sexy Asian model to pop out
VSfan88 27 Jun 2013 06:31:17
^it always starts in New York first, then it moves on to London, Milan and finally ends in Paris
VSfan88 27 Jun 2013 06:30:29
^neither in september nor in october are the fall/winter collections being presented. It goes down like this:
From September to October 2013 are the fashion weeks for the Spring/Summer-collections 2014
From February to March 2014 are the fashion weeks for the Fall/Winter-collections 2014
For menswear, the spring/summer 2014-collections are right now in June/July
and the mensweare fall/winter 2014 shows happen in January.
VSfan88 26 Jun 2013 01:10:16
haha Lily A shouldn't be on the runway because she can't f*ckin' work the runway
VSfan88 24 Jun 2013 07:54:12
I hope for a model-cast for the next D&G show... Actually, I barely watch fashion shows but like Nathan says they have a good cast that isn't full of super skinny boys.
VSfan88 23 Jun 2013 02:19:25
also I think D&G would also like to cast "real people" for their women's fashion show but they would quite lose their prestige if they casted non-models for both shows and since women's fashion is much more relevant in the fashion industry, they can afford it more to cast "real people" for their menswear show... but yeah... still crappy idea.
VSfan88 23 Jun 2013 02:07:00
@Nathan: exactly.. now I remember. But you know what's funny is that she (or he... you never know) wrote that Ale will wear a fantasy bra with amethyst and cut to months later Ale indeed wore a fb with amethyst
VSfan88 23 Jun 2013 01:54:23
@Ryan: I guess Liranyana got banned because she was ANNOYING and spreading false rumors... or was that lala girl?? As I can recall, Liranyana also has this passionate hate for VS models and always cried like a bitch whenever hf favs like Natasha or Sasha were mentioned in one sentence with VS.
VSfan88 23 Jun 2013 01:50:55
Dolce & Gabbana has the best male model-cast... well back then, when they used to hire male models for their menswear show but in general they play so boring music
VSfan88 23 Jun 2013 01:49:48
Kasia doesn't have the face for VS... just like Daphne, Aymeline or Jamie Bochert ... so glad VS never hired Kasia (well for catalog they did before but not for the show)... I knew Karmen would end up looking weird when she was announced to be walking the show. She looked and walked very sexy in the John Galliano spring 2011 show but they also used that kind of make-up they don't for the VS show
VSfan88 21 Jun 2013 04:48:35
^drama drama drama--- grow up
VSfan88 19 Jun 2013 02:39:42
Two amazing Angels leaving in the same year would be tooooo much! VS has to keep Doutzen at least for another year
VSfan88 19 Jun 2013 02:36:35
I guess Ed was pushing her so much because he personally believed in her sexappeal... "sexappeal". But I guess in the end he had to realize that she's a miscast
VSfan88 19 Jun 2013 02:31:24
I agree too Me and CL: Kinda wondering if you guys are the same person as well
VSfan88 18 Jun 2013 07:27:34
^she does though!
VSfan88 18 Jun 2013 05:53:43
and Anja is active in high fashion - so we all know that girls in hf generally need to be stick skinny (Cindy and Elle were from another era)... and PLEASE don't give me "What about Lara Stone and Crystal Renn??!!!"... exceptions to the rule don't count as examples in general terms.
VSfan88 18 Jun 2013 05:51:44
@Nathan: I obviously wasn't talking about weight only but the overall appearance and the vibe that you get from a person. Having said that, even girls that you mentioned like Miranda and Heidi have changed when they were 18 and 30 - in Heidi's case dramatically.
VSfan88 18 Jun 2013 03:21:17
of course Anja seems different now... heck, in that vid she was 18 - now she's 30. You must be a retard if you don't change when you're 18 and 30
VSfan88 18 Jun 2013 03:16:15
@whereisthewine: Not to forget Jessica Stam and Martha Streck who both look much better as blondes than as redheads. And if you go for platinum blonde than of course you look older ... only Heidi was able to rock that color.
VSfan88 16 Jun 2013 03:14:50
^i think your strength lies more in designing shoes
VSfan88 15 Jun 2013 06:06:29
I think Lady GaGa and Beyonce (solo) are the only big stars VS has yet to use and then... there's nothing big anymore... I think "Blurred lines" by Robin Thicke has a cool vibe and also a good beat for the runway - it would fit a sexy 40's pin-up segment
VSfan88 15 Jun 2013 05:57:01
By November when the VSFS happens, Candice will most likely go back to blonde since that hair would be considered "too edgy" for VS, I reckon.
VSfan88 13 Jun 2013 01:40:55
at the video - and there you see the truth: Toni was just reaching for the bottle of water and not for Leo's hand how tabloids previously claimed
VSfan88 11 Jun 2013 11:48:27
and I must be probably the only one that liked Bieber's dance break in the PINK-section. I think it's sorta innovative to throw in those breaks once in a while to make the segments longer... because it's such a shame that it takes so many months to do the segments and then the presentation is over after only 3-4 minutes.
VSfan88 11 Jun 2013 11:37:12
oh man, you guys got me very excited about Lady GaGa - now I would be almost sad if she's not going to be there this year
VSfan88 11 Jun 2013 11:36:03
I think so many people (including me) were complaining about "Phresh out the runway" because it didn't suit the segment's theme at all - which is 100% true. Personally I like the song, but it didn't go well with the theme and the song has a beat utterly ill-fitting for runway. Either you walk as slow as Rihanna or as fast as Constance in order to be able to walk to the beat.
VSfan88 11 Jun 2013 03:03:57
Cara is not even a given in the ranks of VS models - so it doesn't matter that Rita Ora is friends with her
VSfan88 11 Jun 2013 03:03:27
Do KoL even have new material out this year? If not, they won't be in the show. Lady GaGa is a very big contender... Justin Timberlake will have the 2nd part of his new music project out this year. Maybe he will be there again. I think slick male singers fit the best for the VS show á Justin Timberlake and Usher. But VS should really stop making it so much about the musicians because there ain't so many big musicians out there anymore that they haven't used so far
VSfan88 9 Jun 2013 10:44:35
Lindsay Lohan is a fashion designer? Anyway, there are barely people that would think of celebrities as "fashion designers" once they have a clothing line out. A lot of people would think of them as "another celebrity bringing a fashion collection out that was actually designed by somebody else".
VSfan88 8 Jun 2013 00:56:39
cause i don't think that the outfit would have fit Tyra or Oluchi as well
VSfan88 8 Jun 2013 00:55:49
@Nathan: just to be clear - you made that racist remark. That one goes to you dude
VSfan88 7 Jun 2013 04:12:58
maybe they restricted specifically Isabeli to walk because she already garnered (rather negative) attention when she was shot for the VS catalog at age 16. But I also find it weird that Dorothea and Anastasia walked at age 17 but maybe their date of birth is given incorrectly. Anastasia's date of birth is barely given on the internet for instance. Maybe they are one year older than they actually are. I remember that happened in Toni's case, just that she was said to be born in 1991 first and then later it changed to 1992. So it felt like as if she was 16 for two years.
VSfan88 7 Jun 2013 04:05:52
but the fb outfit does not only exist of the fb... there are always accessoires accompanied as well as we all know. I for one think that the 2007 fb with the accompanying x-mas tree-cape suited Selita best from all the angels by that time. I would find it weird on Ale or on Adriana.
VSfan88 6 Jun 2013 23:56:18
So many theories about how they choose the girl to wear the fb... How about the simple theory that they just give the fb to someone that they think would look the best in it?
VSfan88 6 Jun 2013 23:55:17
@malloy: yeah, but that was another time back then, just like girls were allowed to walk the show at age 16. Nowadays they have to be 18.
VSfan88 6 Jun 2013 01:04:30
i think Barbara P is a given in this year's show. On VS' official facebook-page, she, Toni and Lais are highlighted from all the non-angels that VS has used nowadays, so all three are 99% in this year's show I would say.
VSfan88 4 Jun 2013 21:38:16
hmm... Adriana again for the fb? idk... for me it's really better to have Candice wear it this year, then Doutzen next year and Adriana for the fb 2015 when her current contract expires. I doubt by then she will renew it, so she can wear the fb as a grand departure from VS for the 20th anniversary of the VSFS
VSfan88 4 Jun 2013 21:34:17
Barbara Fialho has a banging body - wouldn't mind if she gets booked for this year's show... but seeing Todd next to Barbara just reminds me again of the fact how models always stand out next to the ordinary mortals
VSfan88 4 Jun 2013 00:11:53
and also the pictures from that other black model... disgusting - anorexic bitch perpetuating the stereotype that all models are anorexic
VSfan88 4 Jun 2013 00:11:06
yeah, I also didn't know they broke up. But what's that agency? MIX model management? Never heard before. Can't be that big anyway. So with or without it, Zilin wasn't going to do great anyways with that agency... ANTM at least offers contracts with ifluential agencies.
VSfan88 1 Jun 2013 11:15:49
^We ain't talking about the picture with the woman in white and two people next to her in red, right? Because that woman does not look like Liu Wen AT ALL!
VSfan88 1 Jun 2013 06:42:30
VSfan88 31 May 2013 12:18:41
cara is reportedly trying to become a singer... well, not the typical acting attempts. at least something new for a change http://www.guardian.co.uk/fashion/2013/apr/18/cara-delevingne-singing-career-kate-moss
VSfan88 31 May 2013 12:16:49
^i watched the movie recently and I can't recall seeing her
VSfan88 29 May 2013 04:42:33
I guess a lot of people are against the idea of Kate walking the show because she doesn't have the body for it. If VS has hired "heavier" girls, they were more athletic type of models like Heidi, Doutzen or in recent years Adriana. They don't hire "heavier" girls that could use a lil toning unless your name is Tyra Banks.
VSfan88 29 May 2013 04:34:07
^err you can't be serious right? If VS has done one thing in recent years, then it was to NOT book girls that are known as SI girls
VSfan88 27 May 2013 23:11:10
Kate didn't have anything to lose - actually only to gain by doing VS again. Now it's like "VS doesn't want to work with me? I show you otherwise. Right in your face Sophia 'couture-y' Neophitou"
VSfan88 23 May 2013 23:50:18
weird, I've never seen the resemblance between Ale and Izabel... and wheresisthewine: that girl on the very right is Stef van der Laan
VSfan88 20 May 2013 07:36:54
@Roseane: Janet Jackson was chosen to wear the fantasy bra in the 2004 VSFS which took place during the Super Bowl. The fantasy bra, however, proved unpopular with the audience when Justin Timberlake revealed it under her outfit, and VS quickly did another one and chose Tyra Banks to wear it. Janet Jackson was so mad at Tyra that she dissed her in a song called "Thigh-ra Banks" featuring Naomi Campbell
VSfan88 16 May 2013 05:16:23
One more point Malloy: The last forbes-list only featured 10 spots and Candice was 10th with an estimated 3 million. In the article they wrote Erin just missed the top 10, so she might be 11th or 12th, so that means she also has a multi-million-dollar contract same to the Veteran Angels. Btw, back in 2008, Selita was in the forbes top 10-list with 2,7 million.
VSfan88 16 May 2013 05:11:18
Chanel, Lily A, Lindsay and Erin were contracted in 2010 or 2011 respectively. Same is said about Candice and Rosie but I think they were contracted in 2009 or at least earlier than the before-mentioned models since both of them appeared in that 7 days of Angels-video (alongside Behati) as a promotion for the 2009 VS show. Urgh, the contracts of the newer Angels are very confusing and I should better stop it because there will be no exact answers anyway.
VSfan88 16 May 2013 05:06:15
Candice was contracted post 2009 and she made the forbes list
VSfan88 16 May 2013 05:04:59
I guess what I was trying to say is shouldn't there be a certain standard for a contract to be called exclusive? I thought to be exclusive always means that the models can't model for similar brands. Otherwise what would be the point of being exclusive? So it doesn't matter if you're paid more or less. Once you're exclusive you're not allowed to do other stuff that is too similar to the brand that signed you up exclusively, or am I wrong?
VSfan88 16 May 2013 02:20:23
But isn't it more of a question of exclusivity rather than money?
VSfan88 16 May 2013 02:05:56
I don't understand why Doutzen had to renegotiate her contract for H&M swim. Behati also did Seafolly and didn't Candice also work with some other lingerie or swim label? I thought the VS contract has changed in general that all angels can do other lingerie/swim ads as long as it's not an American brand.
VSfan88 13 May 2013 07:40:06
I wouldn't say Adriana has a short torso. It's normal. Her body just has changed with age. Models like Selita or Damaris have a short torso.
VSfan88 12 May 2013 23:47:07
Doutzen and Adriana do have the same body type. Their mid-section is quite muscular and their clavicular area is broader than of your average model. Still love them the most out of all current angels.
VSfan88 12 May 2013 23:41:50
I guess it needs to be establish whenever people say this or that model is "bulky" or "fat", they mean it in model-standards. Same with the term "curvy" which is quite ill-used to describe a model as.
VSfan88 12 May 2013 03:59:32
love it that Doutzen is not 2009-bulky anymore (guess, Adriana took over that spot). And Kate Upton is still a model. Just because she does some acting doesn't mean acting is her 1st thing now. She's not trying to be like Rosie --- I mean, where is she now acting-wise?
VSfan88 7 May 2013 03:42:31
I think Gisele looks the hottest! Karlie looks like a freakin' auntie, Kate U with the probably most boring dress and Miranda freakin' skinny.
VSfan88 6 May 2013 05:49:13
oh Martha Hunt. She's with Xenia Deli one of the newer girls that I noticed working for VS. Here's one pic of her VS work:
VSfan88 5 May 2013 14:27:37
@Isa and @Ryan: I found your song. It's called "Shut up and let me go" by the ting tings... kidding. It's cold "Hot fashion" by Barrie Gledden and Tim Reilly. I guess, it's a very little known since youtube doesn't even have it
VSfan88 5 May 2013 10:34:00
^as much as I appreciate when people trying to help, it would be better to check your so-called "answers" first before posting them
VSfan88 4 May 2013 05:38:12
a little comparison: Victoria's Secret's income in 2011 was $5 billion. H&M's income in 2010 was $126,97 billion --- ok, now it makes total sense how H&M can pay Gisele so much just for ONE season.
VSfan88 4 May 2013 05:33:26
@malloy: Articles always made it appear as if the Angels make at least a million per year. Gisele with her 25 million-contract for 4 years would make 6.25 million per year. The annual forbes-list shows that all the Angels included also make at least more than a million with VS. So, maybe it was a typo that Miranda gets 1 million in three years? On the other hand, VS still primarily operates in the US. They might be known all over the world, but barely have shops all over the world. H&M, however, has plenty of shops all over the world (sometimes more than enough) - so their salary must be much higher than VS's, thus they can afford to pay a Gisele for example so much ($_$)
VSfan88 3 May 2013 14:31:06
interesting: "According to a stock market analysis in 2007, when Gisele terminated her agreement with Victoria's Secret, which is owned by Limited Brands Inc. (LTD), Limited was selling for $26.80 per share. Soon thereafter, the stock declined to $18.36 per share, a 31.5% drop." After all she was precious to VS - they should have probably just pay her more - she would've been worth it
VSfan88 1 May 2013 07:40:38
^depends on how creative the VS team can be. I'm very lazy lately, so I can't show you there can be a distinctive difference to the silver screen segment.
VSfan88 27 Apr 2013 03:29:13
actually, I'm thankful that Kylie Bisutti turned out to be such a backstabber. VS clearly needed to learn it the hard way that the idea of the Runway Angel-search SUUUUUCKED!
VSfan88 27 Apr 2013 03:08:49
haha found this article - an exclusive respond from Victoria's Secret to Kylie Bisutti's aka Ms. Airhead's allegations: http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2013/04/25/kylie-bisutti-model-christian-victorias-secret/
VSfan88 27 Apr 2013 02:49:50
uurgh, what an irritating jerk that Kylie Bisutti is. She seriously didn't know posing seductively in lingerie comes with the job? Plus, there's a difference between posing seductively and posing in a cheap way, but for an airhead like her that's obviously too much to expect from her to figure out. And then of course the title of the book "I'm no Angel" - making it sound like as if she's been an "Angel" for years, even though she's been with VS for like a second... and not even as an Angel (but the second seemed to be worth enough to write a whole book about it). And on top of that, blaming God for making her go through all this and asking why? because God likes to play airheads just like anybody else
VSfan88 23 Apr 2013 00:59:59
@whereisthewhine: I also considered the possibility that KK might have left VS to do other modelling jobs, but I scrapped the idea of it pretty fast because... I mean, no fashion brand (that would have been worth to leave VS) would have contracted her with that body that she had by that time. And I also don't think that she had something else in line, so I guess that was the perfect time to do private plans and she ended being pregnant - good for her because I think if she had never suffered under hypothyroidism, she would have continued work and wouldn't have her son now.
VSfan88 23 Apr 2013 00:19:44
I know everyone has their right to express their opinions, but I really don't think that Adriana looks better and better with age. If there's one good example that beauty is ephemeral, then she is the one to go - don't get me wrong, she still looks freaking amazing but I think it's normal that a lot of women look better in their 20's than in their 30's.
VSfan88 20 Apr 2013 13:40:13
whenever I see KK gotten in shape again, I wonder what would have happened if she never had that thyroid disease. I'm almost sure that was the reason why VS didn't renew her contract. I mean, why would she decide to leave?
VSfan88 20 Apr 2013 13:32:44
Whereisthewine, I agree with you that Ale managed to maintain her beauty better than Adriana (who's still hot - don't get me wrong)
VSfan88 20 Apr 2013 03:00:22
While I disagree that she looks better than ever (just watch her in her 1st outfit in the 2003 VS show) I think she barely changed over the years. It's maybe that wrinkle that she has on the left (or right?) side of her mouth that became more apparent which makes her seem old for some people
VSfan88 18 Apr 2013 00:53:47
But who knows if her relationship with Jake Gyllenhaal might come to her advantage?
VSfan88 18 Apr 2013 00:48:23
I also have to agree with Ryan. That girl can look very hot but it doesn't come across when working with VS. She's just like Hilary Rhoda, who I thought was a good choice to walk the show and then I saw Rhoda on the VS runway, and she didn't really fit in.
VSfan88 17 Apr 2013 00:54:10
no Nathan, google "miranda kerr three-year 1 million contract" and then you'll see all the articles say her 3-year contract worths 1 million
VSfan88 17 Apr 2013 00:49:42
Adriana had two superbowl commercials for kia and teleflora - those must have had a nice paycheck.
VSfan88 17 Apr 2013 00:48:11
I gotta say that the news of Miranda reportedly getting "only" 1 million for three years is really confusing me. Especially in association with the forbes list. Miranda reportedly makes 4 million a year. But in a year, she would get like 330,000 thousand from the Angel-contract, 200,000 thousand from the David Jones contract, added together 530,000 thousand which is little more than just half million and those were already Miranda's most lucrative modeling contracts. So where are the other 3,5 million come from? That "1 million for three years"-thing must be wrong, otherwise the whole forbes-list is wrong.
VSfan88 16 Apr 2013 11:54:23
@mememe: yeah right. Upton first became famous with that dougie-video but everyone knows her as a model and not as a internet-sensation or as the gf of a famous person, so in the end of the day she's famous for truly being a (SI) model. So seems like it's VERY easy to make you have a big ... even when it's not a joke. Here's a joke for you: There's Kate Upton, there's Kate Middleton, but where's Kate Downton? Hopefully, you didn't just die laughing your butt off
VSfan88 16 Apr 2013 05:23:33
and then we have Gisele again who signed on to become the face of Chanel's newest make-up range Les Berges. It's only a six month-contract (so a normal campaign for a season) but reportedly worths 4 million!
VSfan88 16 Apr 2013 05:14:21
of course I don't expect any model to get 6,25 million per year like Gisele did, but I thought at least a million per year is granted
VSfan88 16 Apr 2013 00:10:13
yeah, it's crazy that Gisele reportedly signed a four-year contract that worths 25 million whereas Kerr's three-year contract is "only" 1 million worth. So that kinda makes me doubt the accuracy of the annual incomes that forbes estimates.
VSfan88 16 Apr 2013 00:03:38
^I guess that depends on where you live since American football is globally not as big as it is in the US itself. So outside North America, I think Gisele is even more known than Tom Brady (I could be wrong though)
VSfan88 15 Apr 2013 13:00:22
@whereisthewine: I gotta disagree. When someone would say: "who's Gisele?", I bet people would rather know who you mean when you'd say "Leo's ex-girlfriend, that model from Brazil" instead of "that model that had the 25 million dollar contract with VS". Especially outside of America, Victoria's Secret wasn't that known when Gisele signed the 25 million contract, so she became known as Leo's girlfriend to many. How about we agree to disagree
VSfan88 15 Apr 2013 01:53:43
and I'm aware of that Orlando has to do a lot with the media interest for Miranda, but what do you think how models become famous? Most of the times, it's because they have a famous boyfriend (that's how Gisele also became a household name in the end of the day). Either you crossover to tv like Tyra or Heidi or you have to date someone famous like Bar, Irina, Gisele, Cindy, Claudia to cement your status as a well-known celeb. Or you are as lucky as Kate Upton, who truly became famous for being really just a model and not a tv host or someone's girlfriend (she barely looks like a model to me but I gotta give her credit for that),
VSfan88 15 Apr 2013 01:48:53
@whereisthewine: Out of all the current Angels, Miranda was the most successful one in the "VS models go high fashion"-trend; the one that got the most press, the only Angel that was invited to talk shows such as Ellen, Chelsea Lately, Conan, Craig Fergueson regularly (also when it didn't coincide with a big VS-event). So, Miranda ended up being VS's most talked about Angel in recent years and also VS's biggest example to keep their bragging about how they can turn models into superstars alive. So, what was that "she didn't add anything special to VS" about again?
VSfan88 14 Apr 2013 14:16:51
^yeah, she said her contracts (VS and David Jones) weren't renewed because she didn't want to commit to a full time contract due to her private commitments.... weird, VS current biggest star is gone
VSfan88 14 Apr 2013 03:37:43
Kerr's take on her Angel-out: http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/miranda-kerr-denies-diva-rumours-5405614
VSfan88 13 Apr 2013 02:45:16
^I guess Candice screwed her chances up to get big wings ever again after she couldn't handle those harp wings--- so those AMAZING wings ended up being produced for NOTHING!
VSfan88 13 Apr 2013 00:54:05
I'm always back in forth with Erin and Lindsay. I liked Erin in her first two VS shows and Lindsay kinda won me over when she opened Silver Screen Angels last year because she was really the only Angel that could have pulled off that outfit. But I guess Erin has better chances to stay: I think she became quite known after dating Leo (though, not as known as Bar and Gisele by far). Whereas the reaction to Lindsay from the general public would be:" who?"
VSfan88 13 Apr 2013 00:49:51
@Nathan: ... she has her husband
VSfan88 12 Apr 2013 01:03:37
yeah, Ana BB was supposed to sign a contract around 2003-2004 (?) and then she turned it down which makes me believe that Ale was only Victoria's Secret's 2nd choice. Daria Werbowy was also reported to have turned down a VS contract which is INSANE, if it was true! Daria for VS?? eerrr... HELL NO! Thank God, she knew she doesn't fit VS. Someone needs to teach Karlie Kloss and Lily A that lesson. On another note, if Miranda was indeed out, I think Karlie has already taken over her spot. But I like to believe that no one is going to take over Miranda's spot because there are already too many (and also unnecessary) Angels.
VSfan88 12 Apr 2013 00:55:34
@Alexis: oh man...okay let me explain: You wrote it would be "horrible" if Shanina became an Angel and I compared Shanina to Karlie, indicating that Shanina can never be as ill-fitting as Karlie for VS. I know you didn't mention Karlie
VSfan88 11 Apr 2013 02:09:24
@Alexis: I would take Shanina as angel instead of Karlie anytime!
VSfan88 11 Apr 2013 02:07:39
but Miranda is truly a star.... that can be already taken by the fact that media outlets write about her possible exit from "Angeldom". No one cared to write about Chanel's or even Rosie's exits
VSfan88 11 Apr 2013 02:04:24
^no one knows...but when i come to think of it, maybe Miranda will be out soon. If she's gonna stay why not say "she's still an Angel". Instead, Razek said "We have no plans to stop working with her"... that's what they also said in Marisa's case when parted ways with her (and Marisa was never seen doing VS stuff ever again btw)
VSfan88 11 Apr 2013 01:59:33
well, it's still in question if she's really going to be let go but I gotta say that this $1 Million three-years-contract sounds more like her David Jones-contract and she was indeed fired by David Jones. I'm wondering if someone confused that contract with her angel-contract because I also think that VS would pay her more than 1$ Million for three years.
VSfan88 8 Apr 2013 00:38:46
I think VS has made it quite clear (with their recent Angel-additions) that they don't make the "typical sex bomb"-models Angels anymore. In Irina's case, I think she was never made an angel because of her similar looks to Adriana but without a doubt she's outshining all the girls in the pic. For some reason, Doutzen's face always look so emaciated in these private photos.
VSfan88 4 Apr 2013 23:52:30
^God, another reason why people think "models can't act"
VSfan88 4 Apr 2013 10:38:37
^of course - that show happened 8 years ago!
VSfan88 31 Mar 2013 02:17:03
^even if they did, I think they proofed to us that they don't give a f***
VSfan88 29 Mar 2013 01:01:29
*non-related VS stuff
VSfan88 29 Mar 2013 01:00:59
why Adriana looks always so stunning in non-related VS in recent years?
VSfan88 28 Mar 2013 00:32:25
@JLovesB: Did you get my comment right? I wasn't putting Toni, Edita, Lais and Barbara in one category with Karlie
VSfan88 27 Mar 2013 01:27:43
@kk: yeah of course the new angels know what they're doing. That's why Lily A is clearly the best runway model I've ever seen. And the only reason why VS fans "whine and complain all the time" is clearly because VS keeps making all these skinny chicks angels which doesn't coincide with its image. So when you get Adriana, Tyra, Heidi, Gisele, KK, Ale etc. from VS and then suddenly Chanel, Lily A or Karlie - something must be wrong, ain't it? Models like Edita Vilkeviciute, Barbara Palvin, Lais Ribeiro or Toni Garrn have worked prominently for VS - have you ever heard VS fans complain about them? No, so if VS would have contracted them, then the fans wouldn't "whine and complain all the time".
VSfan88 26 Mar 2013 01:13:35
^Getting a solo-campaign is most definitely a big push but I wouldn't consider that a hard attempt to push Barbara... like, Candice or Lais might have never gotten a solo-campaign as non-angels, but therefore they are featured in a lot of their campaigns, get more than one outfit in the show, are seen all over the catalogs. you know that continuous work - THAT's what you can call VS is trying to push a girl very hard. You know what I mean? Barbara is just another Toni Garrn (featured in a campaign and called #newAngel by VS, so people thought she was really the next angel), Carmen Kass (opening and closing the 1999 show) or Claudia Schiffer (getting the fb) that are all ... "one-night stands" for VS (didn't know how to put it in another way )
VSfan88 26 Mar 2013 00:11:07
When did VS worked very hard on pushing Barbara? She just got the designer's collection-campaign (could've been any other model) and then she got very popular with the customers and I think that was the only reason she got featured in the x-mas commercial. Sort of like: "ok, let's give the people what they like for once but after that we should continue shoving Karlie down their throats because they need to learn that skinny is the new sexy". VS is clearly making girls Angels to please themselves, not to please what the people want.
VSfan88 25 Mar 2013 02:49:34
love to see it when the angels seem to be real friends and hang out with each other in their spare time
VSfan88 24 Mar 2013 07:31:27
@selita fan: There's only so much talk about Karlie on this shoutbox right now because it's official now that she's an angel. So to new news, they're always lot of responses
VSfan88 23 Mar 2013 10:40:49
^that will always remain a mystery unsolved!
VSfan88 22 Mar 2013 23:59:50
Miranda looking fine on the April 2013 cover of Australian Vogue
VSfan88 22 Mar 2013 23:49:18
@evang18: imo all the current VS angels are too skinny (except for Doutzen and Adriana). And it becomes obvious when you put these girls next to Adriana:
Here, I bring some nostalgia. In this line-up you can clearly see the perfect mix: Ale and Gisele being the more skinnier girls, but never pale next to "curvier" girls like Tyra or Heidi which all the girls above do next to Adriana
VSfan88 22 Mar 2013 23:11:07
@evang18: but that's exactly when it gets to your head, when you think for example that $2 million are not enough - it has to be $3 million. And in case of David Jones, the brand does pay Miranda six figure contract.
VSfan88 22 Mar 2013 23:01:29
@cassie: Just watch the very end of the vs show from last year
VSfan88 22 Mar 2013 05:13:10
Adriana is physically the new Heidi - when you come to think of it, ALL the other angels are toothpicks (except for gorgeous Doutzen) and with the addition of Karlie, VS just perpetuated their silly skinny-trip
VSfan88 22 Mar 2013 05:08:29
@nicko: I actually get what you say about Gisele. In an unflattering shot, she can quite get a witch nose. I'm also not saying she's ugly but the best part of her is most def not her face, but her body
VSfan88 22 Mar 2013 05:06:35
There have been rumors for quite a while that fame got a bit into Miranda's head and after watching these outtakes of last year's VS show, I also start to get that bitchy vibe of hers. Who does she think she is? Not even a Gisele could pull off demanding more money from VS. So why would she?
VSfan88 21 Mar 2013 00:42:16
AAAAAAH Karlie is now really an Angel. I feel defeated (I think, she's a nice girl but NOT suitable for VS, DAMMIT )
VSfan88 21 Mar 2013 00:41:29
Erin and Lindsay do represent something different from Candice but it's not something I see suitable for VS
VSfan88 18 Mar 2013 23:29:48
yeah right - plans for 2013 - what a desperate attempt to get more video views...
VSfan88 17 Mar 2013 01:29:36
Heidi Montag and Paris! I'd prefer Chanel and Karlie ten thousand times over them and that's a strong statement specifically coming from me!
VSfan88 16 Mar 2013 06:36:06
All I know is that all the latest "Karlie is a VS angel"-articles assume she's an angel because she did the VS twitter chat #askanangel with Ale and Candice. But VS is notorious now for f**kin' confusing everyone, so it's not until Karlie is featured as a supermodel on vsallaccess, did a solo event in a VS store, gets featured in the angel-intro in the CBS-version of the show or (if VS would only make it so simple) to release an official press release that she is indeed contracted, that I will have to admit to the fact that she's an Angel. Now there's still hope that she's kinda like a Lais 2 (working more than some angels without actually being one).
VSfan88 16 Mar 2013 06:24:58
^who do you mean with "everyone"? And if so, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true since they all probably base their opinion on the exact same source (that's how the news that Toni Garrn was allegedly a VS angel spread so fast because everyone based their assumption on that misleading tweet from the official VS twitter account).
VSfan88 16 Mar 2013 01:11:24
nah, fashionology might say Karlie's an official angel now but where's the proof? It's nothing more like that little report about Toni Garrn from modelinia. As long as it isn't confirmed by VS affiliated media, I don't buy it.
VSfan88 14 Mar 2013 02:10:19
very very nice drawing!
VSfan88 10 Mar 2013 11:30:49
God, on "the face" they showed a pic of Izabel but put Ale's name on it
VSfan88 9 Mar 2013 23:55:34
@izidominique: No, I didn't. I just don't see Doutzen going any further than she is at this point. Maybe, she will become really known somehow after going to space but ... we'll see. Speaking of "we'll see", time will tell if VS will really start working with Emily D. Bar Refaeli dated Leo and VS barely used her.
VSfan88 9 Mar 2013 07:06:14
Heidi is going to be the new judge on America's got talent
VSfan88 9 Mar 2013 07:03:15
I can only hope for Candice that VS has a good plan for her. I actually see the development. At first it's like making her known as a VS girl (2007-2010), then letting her expand her career, so she's successful in the fashion industry as a whole and not only as a VS girl (2011-present). Now that she has pretty much establish herself in the hf field as well, I think she's ready for the next step: doing something outside fashion! And she better should because it's just a matter of time till Adri, Ale and Miranda will leave, leaving VS with unknown "Angels".
VSfan88 9 Mar 2013 06:57:52
errr .... Heidi is actually NOT the great example. She didn't become famous outside the fashion industry with commercials, movies or marrying a celeb. It began all with her SI cover and then with her TV show "Project runway" - that's how she became famous
VSfan88 8 Mar 2013 23:44:32
I think Miranda pretty much is in the same league with Ale and Adri. As of popularity outside the fashion industry, she's even already far ahead of both. Let's see about Candice - VS people should really start looking for other opportunities for her to become more known for the general public instead of using her for VS ads nonstop because for the general public the VS girls are just "hot models". They don't care to learn their names, so she can model for VS like crazy and still no one will know her name.
VSfan88 7 Mar 2013 09:36:32
wow... then Adriana and Ale will probably leave VS with the 20th anniversary show
VSfan88 4 Mar 2013 22:58:52
I think the angel contract is not so strict anymore to give the angels more opportunities to work for other clients. Having said that, I guess the angels can do lingerie ad for other companies as long as they are not based in America and Esprit is a Germany/Hong Kong based-brand (who would have thought that?)
VSfan88 4 Mar 2013 03:55:41
wikipedia is not reliable - especially when you do some research and actually go on the link that is given as a "source" - it's merely a link to a VS video that also includes Lais and Barbara and they aren't angels either
VSfan88 3 Mar 2013 23:11:16
^no, just several websites that call her "angel" again.... like they do with all the models that walk the VS runway. Someone used those to include Karlie on the wikipedia-page as an angel but I deleted it
VSfan88 3 Mar 2013 10:28:33
^there was a tweet (I think) that said they are heading for work for this year's show
VSfan88 1 Mar 2013 08:50:07
^I guess it's pretty simple - it's all about connections. It's all about getting the influential people in the fashion industry believing in you because they are the ones that can put a model on the map. In Catherine McNeil's case, I guess she became a fav of an influential casting director
VSfan88 27 Feb 2013 03:33:34
even the first show with KK was quite chaotic.... and some people even said VS should cut a slice off that show '
VSfan88 23 Feb 2013 05:22:07
thx for the Leno-link btw
VSfan88 23 Feb 2013 05:14:42
hmmm.... KK looks skinnier than ever
VSfan88 22 Feb 2013 13:32:03
I think it would be weird to have male models on the VS runway since the show and the brand have become so known to feature FEMALE models. Shows like Yamamay have always featured male models (and it's more swimwear also). And especially now that VS has become so tacky with their outfits, it would look campy to make more out of "simple" male underwear
VSfan88 22 Feb 2013 13:25:06
Prada show with Adriana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfot9AAwpOg
VSfan88 22 Feb 2013 13:21:31
interesting ... Yamamay made it from the Brazilian fashion week to Milan fashion week
VSfan88 21 Feb 2013 16:39:16
I'm in the midst of drawing outfits for an entire show... and then I have a little game for you guys. I know a lot of you would like to play VSFS casting directors. So I would like to know which girl you can imagine to wear which outfit
VSfan88 21 Feb 2013 05:57:29
^she must be sick for sure
VSfan88 16 Feb 2013 09:28:39
173cm is not 5'6 but 5'8
VSfan88 15 Feb 2013 14:18:17
I liked Gracie in the 2010 show - she was cute and sexy
VSfan88 14 Feb 2013 09:49:30
and congrats to Kate Upton for getting the SI cover again.
VSfan88 14 Feb 2013 09:38:01
I don't even know if I should believe that rumor that VS was fighting to win Daria's favour. It's just so surreal like the rumour that Carmen Kass was scheduled to headline the 2005 show and that she was actually the one to wear the fb but then she had to drop out because of family affairs.
VSfan88 7 Feb 2013 13:30:50
@Sophie: yeah, but that's because KK was preggers during the 2009 show
VSfan88 6 Feb 2013 15:34:39
^there's always a chance for them to return to VS but I highly doubt it. VS is not known to reunite with their former fav girls à la Claudia Schiffer/Karl Lagerfeld
VSfan88 4 Feb 2013 06:00:27
here's Irina's runway walk - I don't think it's bad
I think she would definitely add to more hype to the VS show. Irina must be quite known in the US cuz of her SI cover. The circus-segment was quite animating. Personally I think you could even feel the energy from the crowd in the unedit circus-segment better than the CBS-version with their same fake applause
VSfan88 4 Feb 2013 05:52:30
and YES - Irina would be perfect. Same as Bar Refaeli. I never understood how VS could be so blind not using them more often. I don't know about their walks but I always think it's an excuse to say they lack runway experience, thus don't get booked. It clearly depends on the case. I think Heidi always had a very good walk. Yeah, Marisa not so. But Irina and Bar - especially Bar and her body - angel material like... c'mon!
VSfan88 4 Feb 2013 05:49:06
they always need forever to take out an newly dismissed angel's profile - nothing new
VSfan88 3 Feb 2013 16:34:36
^Oh God, this shoutbox has hit rock bottom another time. There are truly some people out there that don't have a life.
PS: If there'll be a comment later under my name saying Adriana dies - you guys will know the deal (FAKE!)
VSfan88 29 Jan 2013 05:48:55
she looks freakin' hot - her blowing hair reminds me of the 2005-2006 VS shows
VSfan88 29 Jan 2013 05:47:44
2007? Next big star? Not true - sadly
VSfan88 23 Jan 2013 13:01:58
I think Candice will get the fb this year. Doutzen maybe next year when her travel to outer space will be the biggest thing for her media-wise.
VSfan88 23 Jan 2013 12:44:40
I hope this year one of the unnecessary angels will be deposed from her status. I wish Lindsay, Behati, Erin and Lily A all to be given the boot at once but that of course won't happen. What do you guys think? I guess one angel has to leave this year (and hopefully NOT be replaced by Karlie Kloss ... Karlie is cool but not Angel-material)
VSfan88 23 Jan 2013 12:40:00
I really don't know what VS sees in Lily A. Yeah, maybe marrying a rock star would make her known and somehow it would rub off on VS, but the members of Kings of Leon barely have media presence, so it's like Lily A married a nobody. Her marriage barely has an advantage for VS ultimately.
VSfan88 21 Jan 2013 07:16:06
Chanel was loved but as equally hated. She splitted the VS fans. But I guess better than Lily A who no one likes. Whenever the other angels had a baby, it was always addressed but in Lily's case.... *dust cloud* ....
VSfan88 21 Jan 2013 07:12:09
well, if Karlie was appropiate for VS, no one would critcize her body as soon as the show happens or just recently with her valentine's day cover. She just doesn't embody the image - but I guess I would be a fool not to notice that VS wants to go more hf with their angels - so Karlie is the perfect choice for them.
VSfan88 20 Jan 2013 08:20:42
yeah Chanel was trending topic in terms of "YEAH! Luckily she wasn't there "
VSfan88 20 Jan 2013 08:18:43
Karlie 4 Angel? Why VS has this weird talent to make all these ill-fitting choices? It's getting more and more irritating!
VSfan88 9 Jan 2013 15:54:48
I think it's not valid anymore to assume an Angel leaving whenever she appears less for VS. It has been rumored for YEARS now that Ale will leave VS soon or when Miranda got the fb but they are still angels whereas VS uses Lais like crazy and she ain't an Angel yet. Seems like VS changed their contracts - back then the contract seemed to be much stricter. The angels were known to do VS only and needed to plan when to get babies, so they won't miss the fashion show. Now so many Angels are known to do other notable model work or to miss the fashion show to have kids.
VSfan88 8 Jan 2013 07:12:26
^yeah, that rumor sparked some controversies and VS apologized for the outfit and decided to edit it out to proof they really mean their apology
VSfan88 8 Jan 2013 04:03:39
@A!: You can contact T.G. and send the songs to him and he will make them available on vsholic.com - that's how I always do it
VSfan88 2 Jan 2013 00:39:18
thx BradleyCP even though I pointed out specifically that I was NOT looking for that version.
VSfan88 1 Jan 2013 02:09:38
@T.G.: do you have the unedited version of the 2005 show? I'm not talking about the one that has "DEMO version" written on the edge. It's actually also edited but without any backstage footage and some alternate poses from the models. It used to be on youtube with the "sexy crystal princess"-segment followed by the song Millennium by Robbie Williams
VSfan88 1 Jan 2013 02:07:43
^happy new year T.G. and to any other VSholic!
VSfan88 27 Dec 2012 12:07:04
I've got to say my favorite outfit this year was Doutzen's "Dangerous liaisons"-outfit and it also fitted her perfectly... and the pose that was used for the tv-version, that camera angle, that slow mo - magnificent
VSfan88 27 Dec 2012 12:04:35
back then, some girls always did their signature pose -- Gisele, Adriana... now it's called "always doing the same pose" *Miranda cough*
VSfan88 24 Dec 2012 08:20:41
^and that's why she doesn't fit VS because VS seems to have a cookie-cutter make-up regime that is applied on every model - regardless if it fits or not
VSfan88 24 Dec 2012 00:13:57
Karmen does not work for VS! I saw her for John Galliano show, for Dior show - always beautiful, but at the VSFS she just falls flat - she ain't commercial
VSfan88 21 Dec 2012 23:36:18
I'm also a sucker for mash-ups. Wonder if there'll ever be a version from the circus-song without the screaming.
VSfan88 20 Dec 2012 08:33:34
now that Edita has been absent from the VS show twice, I fear the VS people got their radar off from Edita... what's the last thing she's done for VS?
VSfan88 20 Dec 2012 04:35:43
HOLY SHIT! Adriana for Miu Miu? WOW but who's that girl in the middle?
VSfan88 18 Dec 2012 23:01:35
^yeah, an anime-inspired segment with Sophia describing it as: "We were inspired by childhood heroes like Sailor Moon, Pokémon, Dragon Ball - and we put a COUTURE twist to it. It's very OPULENT. AMAAA-zing!"
VSfan88 18 Dec 2012 22:42:49
@CL: I also thought about it.. I mean Jourdan Dunn's outfit was a complete rip-off from the Neon Genesis Evangelion-character Rei Ayanami
VSfan88 16 Dec 2012 12:50:51
really interesting from Cameron
VSfan88 16 Dec 2012 11:03:09
VSfan88 12 Dec 2012 23:43:36
All these ranking-lists are so random. On askmen we have Bar Refaeli on a poor 62 spot and in Maxim's hot 100-list she was ranked #1 ....
VSfan88 11 Dec 2012 04:14:33
^Wasn't talking about you but other people
VSfan88 11 Dec 2012 04:07:14
Why so many people hate on Kate Upton? I don't even know why she always needs to be mentioned for the show. You guys know she won't be in the show anyway. So it makes no sense to always bring her up and then bash on her... I'm even under the impression she's only mentioned to have a chance to bash on her
VSfan88 11 Dec 2012 04:05:17
^Can I see a proof?
VSfan88 11 Dec 2012 03:33:34
and why is Barbara predicted to lose a lot of weight till next year? I never saw Candice losing a lot of weight neither. Maybe someone is referring to the pictures from her when she looked superskinny next to Ale and Adri, but I think in certain angles, almost every model can look anorexic
VSfan88 11 Dec 2012 03:29:39
^No, I don't need because I always comparing her from the other shows till now and like I said - her mid-section was covered in all three outfits this year, so can't really tell if she's skinnier or not... I just think she looked more mature this year but that make-up didn't fit her. But agree on Constance that this year she looked skinnier (her face)
VSfan88 11 Dec 2012 03:23:23
When was Behati skinny? I always thought of her as one of the healthier girls. Plus in this year's show, her mid-section was always covered up which is her "weak" point.
VSfan88 9 Dec 2012 00:17:34
does anyone notice that in this year's show they used a wind machine at the end of the runway? but it sucked because it blew the hair in the model's face instead of wide open like in the 2005 show
VSfan88 9 Dec 2012 00:14:06
I can remember there was a pic of adriana and other angels (I forgot which ones) at KK's babyshower - that's what I call real friendship. Going to party, you can also go with people you're just kinda friends with
VSfan88 8 Dec 2012 23:49:53
^you mean like also outside of work? because I can't recall any of the angels being invited to her wedding
VSfan88 8 Dec 2012 23:29:26
I think Adriana and Ale seem a lil distant from the other angels because they started with another group (Heidi, Tyra & Gisele). There's a reason why the newer angels seem so close because they started off together. And then there are Miranda and Doutzen in between. Miranda started around the same time with Izabel, Selita and Marisa but all of them didn't last long and well... Doutzen seems to be distant in general.
VSfan88 8 Dec 2012 01:24:11
It seems like only references to "European" cultures is ok... the show featured like Russian, Scottish and Spanish-themed segments and no one complaint. But when it comes to Native American-inspired outfits or there was this VS collection that featured east Asian-images, then it's NOT OK at all... I'm gonna show my ideas of an Egyptian-segment very soon anyway
VSfan88 8 Dec 2012 01:19:22
@selita fan: I also thought of segments inspired by different cultures like Egyptian, Chinese attire but after this whole native American-disaster and the supposed "sexually objectifying"-crap talk, there won't be such segment in the show in the future i guess
VSfan88 8 Dec 2012 01:16:01
and if Todd did it, the segment will end up with eyepatches and hooks as a hand
VSfan88 7 Dec 2012 11:33:38
who do you guys think was the best newcomer and the worst? I think Barbara Palvin was seriously the only reasonable new addition to the show. The worst is hands down Jessica Hart - another girl that VS pushes to become a visible face of VS and you'll be lik: BUT WHY?? so newcomers this year - BIG disappointment
VSfan88 7 Dec 2012 11:08:46
And I just realized again that Shanina would have had 1 outfit only if it wasn't for Lais, and I really don't know what goes on in the head of the VS people. They said about Shanina that she made the editors last year go 'who's that girl?' and about Barbara Palvin that awfully many people ask on facebook "who's that girl" - so they know these girls are popular with people and yet they give them one outfit.... what's the point???
VSfan88 7 Dec 2012 11:05:24
i'm starting not to like Behati for VS anymore. Imo she was not convincing in selling sexy to me at all. She was sooo lucky that Lais got her ankle injured.
VSfan88 7 Dec 2012 06:35:33
^Gisele was pregnant? Totally forgot
VSfan88 7 Dec 2012 05:16:04
^second song is Alex Clare's "Too close"... it's actually a VERY known song ... kinda surprised you don't know it
VSfan88 6 Dec 2012 19:50:42
and yes to having only one performer such as Lady Gaga and Beyonce! Not so sure about Gaga since her new album will come out in the beginning of 2013 and will it still have an impact at the end of 2013? But I actually want some slick male performer. Through all the years, I think that only Usher was the only performer that interact well with the girls
VSfan88 6 Dec 2012 19:42:02
I think none of the girls this year stood out. I liked Elsa in this year's show though
VSfan88 6 Dec 2012 03:18:06
some of the outfits most definitely look unfinished. I don't know if it was due to hurricane sandy but Toni's wings are most definitely one of them.
VSfan88 6 Dec 2012 00:54:23
hmmmm..... I don't if anyone noticed but at the very end with all the outtakes they showed the angels only... and Karlie as well
VSfan88 6 Dec 2012 00:52:47
@T.G.: Here's the complete list of song titles from this year's show, so you can use it for the music section:
1. Segment "Circus":
· The Doors - Break On Through
· Dick Dale - Misirlou
· Pendulum - Slam
· Missy Elliott - Get Your Freak On
· Billy Idol - Rebel Yell
2. Segment "Dangerous Liaisons":
· Rihanna - Diamonds
3. Segment "Calendar Girls":
· Bruno Mars - Locked Out Of Heaven
4. Segment "PINK Is Me":
· Justin Bieber - Beauty And The Beat
5. Segment "Silver Screen Angels":
· Bruno Mars - Young Girls
6. Segment "Angels in Bloom":
· Rihanna - Phresh Out The Runway
· Rudimental featuring John Newman - Feel The Love
VSfan88 6 Dec 2012 00:45:48
yeah guys just need to watch the 2003 show - full of annoying voiceovers like every 2 seconds
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:44:48
In my case, it just has the effect that I'm under the impression that the show is like 5 mintues long
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:38:14
I don't see any problem with the camera... it's just the quality changes from show to show... the 2003 show's quality is more washed out, the 2005 show has also another quality... I don't know the prober term for those cameras.
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:31:22
and they had to shorten the song in Calendar girls because they couldn't show Karlie
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:19:45
now I'm watching it again and I gotta say that they should stop doing those obviously fake cheering voiceovers... it's been always the same one for years
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:14:07
but come on: one good thing happened this year: They toned down the voiceovers for real!
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:12:36
^the "outtakes" at the very end
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:11:15
I think it's obvious they're growing Candice to be the next main VS angel - so it was another way to make her stand out ... btw weak from Erin in Calendar girls. If the hat could not be fixed on the head, she should have said: "ok, let me hold it in my hand"... oh and in the ending of course: NOW THAT's what I call bitchy from Miranda
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:06:54
that's true that they could have stayed with one camera angle longer but still I don't think it's as bad as people think it is and a little sad that Karlie's part was edited out... actually more for the segment's sake cause it was a theme were the number of girls actually mattered... so it was weird.
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:04:33
and Ed was spreading wrong facts by saying they first met Candice as a fit model. WRONG!
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:03:18
@Dongho: You left "Rebel yell" by Billy Idol out
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:01:33
the only thing that really bugged me was actually Izabel in the finale - damn missy, you ain't an Angel anymore - so get your ass to the background and don't pose with the other Angels
VSfan88 5 Dec 2012 07:00:45
well I enjoyed the show because (for once) I wasn't trying to analyze every single thing and just let the show happen to my eyes and I liked it. Yeah the performers were given a lil bit too much camera time. but some of you just make the simple mistake to have too high expectations - I don't know what you guys want since I think it's clear that the show will never be 2005-ish.
VSfan88 4 Dec 2012 23:41:59
sounds like the fans ain't so happy with this year's edited show... I haven't seen it yet but when most of you say it's not worse than 2009 then it can't be THAT bad. I don't think 2009 was soooo bad if you just really watch the segments only and skip all that model search-crap. All in all, the editing of 2009 is good and the music as well.
VSfan88 4 Dec 2012 11:14:58
I was talking about this girl next to Barbara... doesn't look like Bregje to me
VSfan88 4 Dec 2012 11:12:53
The doors - break on through
Dick Dale - Misirlou
Billy Idol - Rebel yell
VSfan88 4 Dec 2012 07:32:17
^No I mean the shot before where Barbara has some see-through jacket on.. god I almost wrote "invisible jacket"
VSfan88 4 Dec 2012 07:12:45
Does anyone know all the models that appear in this year's holiday 2012-commercial? In the Barbara Palvin-vid there was one model that I never seen before. She appears with Barbara in the vid at 1:45
VSfan88 4 Dec 2012 05:24:51
^which is not always positive
VSfan88 4 Dec 2012 05:17:08
@Alexis: That's true - As a fan, you always get quite picky and you sorta lose the ability to just enjoy it.
VSfan88 4 Dec 2012 05:15:35
^Only that Anja has naturally very wide hip bones which, in certain angles, make her look like she has "curves" - that's something you can never say about Karlie
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 23:18:54
^I never said otherwise
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 22:53:06
I'm sure the come fly with me-segment would have been deemed costumy if it was featured in recent shows, but it's surely hell sexier than other tacky segments such as Game on, Superangels (uurgh) and almost all the PINK-segments.
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 22:39:40
^that's barely the designers fault - I'm sure it would have turned into a concert also with or without Charlotte because of ratings. 2006 show... well, the "Come fly with me"-segment was actually also very costumy. Real fashion shows were 2005 and 2003 because the themes that they used weren't taken too literal. Examples: the "Superangels"-segment (theme taken too literal) is the same with the "super sexy heroins"-segment from 2003. This year's PINK-segment (also taken too literal) is the same with the "sexy toys"-segment from 2005.
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 22:26:48
Just checked the 2010-show credits and it says Collection designers were Charlotte Stockdale and Todd Thomas. Sophia was merely the show stylist, so the 2010 show still goes to Charlotte and Todd together. I assume Charlotte took part in creating the outfits but around the time when the show happened, she left... but on another note, collection designers and show stylist... isn't it the same? Or does show stylist mean that Sophia created the settings and Charlotte and Todd the outfits?
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 22:23:38
I also don't think Sophia has so much say in the designs. I also think Charlotte and Todd were a great team even though I think it's 50/50 on both. If Todd would have left and Charlotte remained, it would also suck. And I always thought Todd is responsible for the outfits and Charlotte ... yeah also, but more the accessoires.
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 22:20:09
Barbara has truly become a popular face... since she was featured at the VSFS this year, her page on my website became from nowhere to the most clicked model-site. But I highly doubt she will be featured in the angels-intro this year. No way she just get one outfit in the show and then get featured in the intro. I won't mind if it happened but I think the true angels should be in the intro only to avoid any confusion like with Lais last year.
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 03:53:37
Ale with her daughter Anja... it's quite interesting how "Anja" is pronounced in Portuguese http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9bVRa-Ei1c
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 03:51:28
Interviews of Bar Refaeli - why the hell VS never made her an Angel????????????? She has a slamin' body and is good in interviews:
VSfan88 3 Dec 2012 03:31:28
Ale doing some promotion for the fb on Chelsea Lately http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEnl4WG0mQk&list=UURZrRScPCj8Uuboq78x9e3w&index=5&feature=plcp
VSfan88 1 Dec 2012 12:16:01
only few days left till the show FINALLY airs
VSfan88 1 Dec 2012 10:59:49
and please a better outfit accompanying the fb next year. Ale looked like freakin' Tarzan this year
VSfan88 1 Dec 2012 10:56:03
^I think it's quite a given that next year's fb will go to a blondie - My bet. Doutzen or Candice
VSfan88 1 Dec 2012 01:39:50
^i would find it more intriguing what jf a renowned designer like Marc Jacobs would be the head designer of the VSFS... which designer would fit this job the most actually?
VSfan88 29 Nov 2012 23:30:13
I like "Beauty and the beat" a lot. I think a lot of people are prejudiced against that song because it's simply from Bieber. Bet a lot won't be so turned off by that song if it was sung by another musician
VSfan88 29 Nov 2012 07:47:46
^not to forget Heidi! Exceptions were her vogue paris cover and givenchy parfum-ad back in 1996
VSfan88 28 Nov 2012 23:49:22
@Jay: Thinking of Elyse Taylor, I always confuse her with Jessica Hart when I think of the 2009 show. Elyse looks far better with short hair.
VSfan88 28 Nov 2012 23:46:40
Now, Selita only holds the title of "a model" but being an actual model and booking jobs... Wrong! Which is said. Given the right style, Selita can look stellar. I wonder how well she would have done in the "VS models go High fashion"-trend if she still was an Angel by that time that trend came up.
VSfan88 28 Nov 2012 10:06:54
Limiting Candice, Ale, Doutzen, Miranda and Adri as the current Angels, I think Adriana is the tallest from all of them. She's a legit 5'10. Doutzen supposedly 5'10 as well, Candice maybe 5'8, Miranda at 5'9 and Ale at 5'9.5
VSfan88 27 Nov 2012 23:00:01
Cara's real height is 5'8
VSfan88 27 Nov 2012 10:26:05
^I guess to "stand out".. the business has tons of blondes
VSfan88 27 Nov 2012 08:30:56
Jessica Hart is actually very hot but it really is the gap that ruins it all
VSfan88 27 Nov 2012 01:24:49
I don't know if it's just me but I've kinda lost the excitement to watch the show because I've been waiting TOO LONG to watch the show. But I just watch the highlight clip from fashiontv in a better quality and it made me looking forward to watch it again
VSfan88 25 Nov 2012 11:36:22
I don't see a "complete bitch" at all. Haven't seen Miranda sighing or rolling her eyes when someone asked her a question nor seeing her walking away from interviews or refusing to give interviews like Jessica Stam did before. Or could it be that you just hate Miranda?
VSfan88 25 Nov 2012 10:36:32
PS: I wrote it before but no one seemed to notice: The songs from the "Circus"-segment are: Dick Dale - "Misirlou", The Doors - "Break on through" and Billy Idol - "Rebel yell"
VSfan88 25 Nov 2012 10:35:17
I'm also aware of the fact that they need performers to make the ratings go higher but I'm sure there is always a way to combine fashion and commercial together and make VS fans and regular tv watchers happy. Make one performer go on stage with the models and then maybe another not at all - just performing by himself. This year's show was a total disaster when it comes to that.
VSfan88 25 Nov 2012 10:32:26
Kinda missed that "who's bitchy"-talk and I find it amusing how some of you write like as if you knew the girls. For my part, I think it's pretty normal when you have a bad day and to be a VS angel can be quite dull if you always have to talk about bras and make it sound like they are different from all the other bras even though they aren't... I mean how many times can you talk about something like that without sounding stupid at one point because you basically have to repeat yourself again and again. So it can be quite annoying to do that constantly. Would be better to consider that and empathize with these girls instead of always recklessly call them bitchy from the get go
VSfan88 25 Nov 2012 10:26:29
People like to draw their conclusions very quickly which is quite annoying. I just wait for the show to air before I say how I feel about the show. The music sucked and everyone seems to agree with that but about the outfits, I will see how they'll look in motion and most importantly how they gonna edit it. Therefore, it's annoying when I read that you guys hate Cameron because she looks so weird in the pictures... in motion, it's 99% always better
VSfan88 22 Nov 2012 01:04:17
I find Miranda the most beautiful with a sun-tanned skin tone around 2006-2007 - now I think she always looks so pale
VSfan88 21 Nov 2012 06:31:35
The fuzz is clearly on Karlie Kloss - I think nowadays it's more about the individual and not so much about girls from a particular country - I wouldn't count Izabel to the big 5 Brazilian girls - I don't know her fame in Brazil but in the fashion industry Caroline T and Raquel (that you suggested along with Izabel) were/are far more successful than Izabel.
VSfan88 21 Nov 2012 04:46:17
I wouldn't say Americans. There has been a big influx of Chinese models in the industry now - Liu Wen, Sui He, Shu Pei, Xiao Wen Ju, Sun Fei Fei and many others going to establish themselves with time - of course these girls will never be among the top 10 girls all at the same time simply because it's a Caucasian-prefering industry but having said that, from all the ethnic groups besides Caucasians, Asian models are the most successful in recent seasons.
VSfan88 21 Nov 2012 04:40:54
Idk if Fernanda was THAT successful, that she would come second to Gisele. I think Isabeli is also a big competitor. She also started around the same time with Adriana, Fernanda and Alessandra. I would put Isabeli after Gisele. Nowadays there are not much of big girls anymore coming from Brazil
VSfan88 19 Nov 2012 08:59:39
@evang18: exactly, Behati worked her (technically also) hideous outfit, Erin's outfit was alright and then the rest was
VSfan88 18 Nov 2012 05:19:38
^Tanya Dziahileva... just look it up on style.com next time - they always show the whole collection with the model's names
VSfan88 17 Nov 2012 07:09:47
And don't write things like "Lily A and Candice are also not that tall" -- exactly, they are already on the short side, so there's no need for even shorter girls like Barbara
VSfan88 17 Nov 2012 07:08:32
I know a lot of people grew an obsession for Barbara Palvin, but for me she's also not Angel-material. She can be a VS-regular but I wouldn't be too happy if she was made an Angel. Especially doing promotions with the other Angels, she would get lost next to all those tall girls
VSfan88 17 Nov 2012 07:05:54
2009 was a tough year for VS. The overall collection was the weakest of all shows starting from 2003 till now and there was a lack of Angels. I don't know if someone ever noticed it but back then, the first three models to walk the opening segment were always Angels but that year Doutzen and Marisa were already up for the 2nd segment, Adri was pregnant and Heidi only available for an "exclusive walk". But still it doesn't make it ok to throw in so many mediocre girls. To contract Candice and Rosie would have been enough but I guess they desperately needed an American face.
VSfan88 17 Nov 2012 01:19:19
Personally I don't mind Erin and Behati for the show but there are NOT Angel-material. Personally I think Erin for the 2008 & 2009 show and Behati for the 2007 show were enough. Lindsay, Lily A and formerly Chanel are neither Angel-material nor fitting for the show, even though I think Chanel was alright in 2009.
VSfan88 17 Nov 2012 01:13:03
^Adri, Ale, Doutzen, Miranda and Candice are also the only current girls that I consider as Angels since they are the ones that appear in the forbes-list. The other so-called "Angels" don't - and yeah it's a mystery how VS overlooks gorgeous models such as Shanina Shaik, Toni and Edita, and make girls like Erin, Lindsay, Lily A (??) and formerly Chanel (????????) Angels instead. I'm looking forward to see who they are going to make an Angel next.
VSfan88 16 Nov 2012 23:49:44
exactly... I mean, the 2003 toke place almost 10 years ago.... times just fly
VSfan88 16 Nov 2012 00:41:25
When it comes to Doutzen, I think she's rather a shy person. A person's personality can be different on stage and in private life and I think that applies on Doutzen. She's maybe a sweet and witty person in private life but whenever the camera is on her, she seems boring because she's not good at repartee
VSfan88 16 Nov 2012 00:33:29
I noticed recently that people think Miranda is bitchy. How come? To me, she seems to have changed as well, but not in a bitchy, but mature way. She started off in 2006 as this bubbly model working for PINK but that's so long time ago! Now she's in her 30's and a mom of a child. I wouldn't expect her to be "heeeeeey guys" anymore
VSfan88 16 Nov 2012 00:25:47
yeah... everyone wishes the 2005-vibe to come back but the sad thing is (and I think everyone knows) that will NEVER happen again
VSfan88 15 Nov 2012 09:45:24
@izidominique: no, the first rumors of Izabel not being an Angel anymore arose ca. October 2008. And indeed she wasn't an Angel anymore when the 2008 show happened. Izabel, Selita and KK signed all as Angels in 2008 but I think Izabel and KK signed as Angels a little bit earlier than Selita since Selita was actually an Angel until early 2009.
VSfan88 15 Nov 2012 06:12:31
there was a rumour that she broke her Angel-contract. Not necessarily because of doing Armani Exchange (Ale did Armani Exchange as well), but because of Armani himself. Allegedly he convinced her that she's meant for bigger things and would be stuck at one level if she stayed in the Angel-game. And that was around 2008 where the Angels indeed were stuck at being only known for their VS work. Allegedly her contract was not up until 2010.
VSfan88 15 Nov 2012 00:33:24
Segments are always back to back unless a musicians performs in between segments. That was the case in 2008 with Usher in between PINK and ballet de fleur (so Candice had enough time to change). Also models have to change clothes within a minute or two. The only time a girl didn't make it on time was Carmen in 2002.
VSfan88 15 Nov 2012 00:30:21
^In SS2013, she did Rag & Bone
VSfan88 14 Nov 2012 13:38:34
I'm watching the 2003 show right now and actually the editing quite sucks... every three seconds they switch to backstage with voice-overs ...urgh... which made me realize that in recent years the show hasn't been as glamorous as back then but at least the editing can be relied on. The last show with a bad editing (and imo the worst editing of all VSFS) was in 2008. In later years, the editing was always good (2009 obviously counting the editing of the segments only)
VSfan88 14 Nov 2012 13:35:25
well the thing is VS has always hired hf models for the show... it's more about that the body image of hf models has changed over the years.
VSfan88 14 Nov 2012 12:24:04
Oh hell no, I don't want an aging-refusing granny on the vs show doing her wanna-be contortionist moves to proof how young she still is nor a deranged replica of her's. Lady Gaga would be the only one that's fine with me because she's also big enough of a name, so VS would hopefully not throw in another 2-3 musicians to make it a freakin' concert festival like it was the case this year
VSfan88 13 Nov 2012 09:54:24
what do you guys think was the last show with a strong overall collection? I think 2008 was the last one
VSfan88 13 Nov 2012 04:58:15
every year it's like: Oh my god, I'm so happy. This year's outfits are amazing and the outfits I've got are my absolute favorites from all the show I've done so far. I'm so excited to be in the "(whatever)"-segment. It's going to be so amazing." And then the last sentence is always like: "Fittings done. My outfits are so amazing. See you at the show. *blowing a kiss*" ...
VSfan88 13 Nov 2012 04:26:43
Miranda's circus outfit was supposed to represent an acrobat... I don't see at all
VSfan88 13 Nov 2012 04:20:12
I don't like it when former angels stand next to the current angels. It makes them look very desperate for attention
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 12:47:51
^someone posted the link, but not the actual photo
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 12:29:41
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 11:45:36
Even though I think VS has worked hard to get away from that "sleazy image" that people have in their mind when they hear the word "lingerie", it's still just a lingerie show for a lot of people and that's where the problem starts. I just read this article http://nymag.com/thecut/2012/11/karlie-kloss-really-sorry-about-that-headdress.html and it's so freakin' RIDICULOUS to mention how many native women get raped by non-native men each year... it's like
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 01:30:05
and Toni's closing outfit looks like a tomato
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 01:27:38
I just recognize yesterday that the PINK segment is based on toys and now there's no more excuse for me that Todd creates tacky outfits because a segment in 2005 was based on toys and it was not tacky at all (which I can't say about the PINK version)... even though the 2005 version is more based on gift wrap
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 01:23:19
^Or she knows that the 2nd taping counts more because that's always the one they base the editing version on
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:57:40
yeah, I mean the VS show features Angel wings and one of Naomi's outfit in 2002 featured a cross and I can't recall Christians complained about that (which is quite the milestone because it feels like they like to nag on everything)
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:50:46
@malloy: Plus leprechauns aren't holy to Irish people... and don't tell me they are
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:47:31
kind of like the same, when there was a little debate about that wild things-segment in 2010, where some blogger wrote it's racist to throw in so many black models in that segment
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:46:24
@Alexis: Yes, I still can remember you wrote that about the headpiece being for males-only. And I don't know about that argument about Karlie being Caucasian. If they pick a non-native American to wear it, it's like "That model is not even a native American" and if they pick a native-american model to wear that outfit, it's like "they only chose that girl to wear it because she's native american. How stereotypical is that?". It's almost like a dilemma.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:43:41
What I'm trying to say is that they needed to represent that holiday somehow and I think Todd was like "What represents a native American the best?" probably he thought of that headpiece and he wasn't aware of how sacred it is to the native Americans.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:41:26
Like I said malloy, it's a matter of opinion
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:38:16
^that's a typical human response. Once you hold something dear to you, you become so bigoted that it's clearly affect your judgement. Even the smallest things can turn into something sooo serious - religious people clearly need to learn to take things not so serious. And for me it really depends on the situation. If the headpiece thing is so serious, then that member from the village people must be the devil for being so blasphemic
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:23:37
imagine VS had a segment inspired by the attire of Native Americans this year... then they would have needed to scrap a whole segment
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:18:33
@Linz: I guess Miranda's circus outfit should represent a circus showgirl - pretty much the same with Ale's circus outfit.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2012 00:16:46
@malloy: In what fashion? They just let a model walk down the runway with that headpiece. OOOOH soo bad. On a serious note, they didn't do any bad things with it. It's not a "No Doubt music video"-situation at all. And I do believe they should get over themselves because it's really not that serious... well I guess that's matter of opinion
VSfan88 11 Nov 2012 23:47:46
And the only reason why VS would never feature a mitre as a headpiece is simply because a mitre itself (forget about what it stands for for once) has a ridiculous shape.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2012 23:45:44
and that Karlie Kloss headpiece issue is sooo dramatic... oh god, get over yourself people. It's a fashion show for fun and if someone even would do research, they would know it's just a representation of a holiday in November. No indication of killing native Americans. And the holiday itself (Thanksgiving) is also no holiday to celebrate the submission of the native Americans or something even close to it.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2012 23:35:12
yes, and the song is stylized as "Phresh Out The Runway" and I sincerely hated it for the floral segment... Can't wait to hear the whole song of the circus-segment
VSfan88 11 Nov 2012 05:57:33
Maybe I just need to watch the show but I wasn't impressed by Hilary Rhoda at all. I don't think she was stellar and she seems to have quite a big head in comparison with the other models
VSfan88 11 Nov 2012 01:27:52
VSfan88 11 Nov 2012 01:19:51
"Selena decided not to be a lesbian anymore"
VSfan88 10 Nov 2012 11:37:41
Nowadays actors and singers take away the most lucrative jobs from models... so it's just fair if the model get back at them... waiting for a model trying to become a singer though
VSfan88 10 Nov 2012 11:33:28
Rosie has finally a new movie up and coming. Her new movie mad max also features Abbey Lee
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 23:47:51
I think the VS show is seen as such a big thing, mainly because of the image it has built for itself over the years. I think non VS-fans still think Victoria's Secret hires SEXY WOMEN. I don't think they even know what kind of change they did to us with hiring Ellingson, Chanel and Karlie
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 23:40:01
and the only people that are loyal to them (the fans) are always getting disappointed
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 23:37:12
^they have covered up all the words for beautiful: amazing and fabolous and with Sophia on board they use "opulent" a lot as well
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 23:27:14
The VS people are quite hypocritical people. When it comes to the music it's all about pleasing the viewers, but when they choose the models, it's all about pleasing themselves
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 23:25:23
Thinking of Rihanna in her dangerous liaisons-segment, it now really reminds me of her music video for "Te Amo" http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTc2NzE3MTYw.html
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 23:19:48
@Brandi: I designed one collection with the overall theme of "Alice in Wonderland" - I know that VS was inspired by it before but I think it's such a big inspiration that it can cover a whole show. Not just only one segment
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 23:18:37
@Frank: First of all, I hope they'll never have a baby doll-segment because that would be tackier than Game on and Super Angels combined. Some of the models you've suggested are nice but too obvious for that segment. It's almost like having a Chinese themed-segment and only let Chinese models walk that segment
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:57:46
I would also refer to her as black to be honest
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:52:26
^Freakin' nice remix btw
and YES - besides Toni, Shanina should be an Angel (kinda gave up on my fav model Edita to become an Angel)
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:51:40
@Jessica: Find out what? The music? It's "Break on through" by The doors and "Misirlou" by Dick Dale (the theme of the movie pulp fiction)
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:49:58
It's funny how people call Shanina black (and I don't blame them) even though she's not at all. She's half Pakistani/Saudi-Arabian and half Lithuanian. So she's technically half Caucasian and half Asian but people only think of Chinese when it's about Asian people.
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:45:34
@Mary: yeah, but only outside of VS... at the VS show she always does those stupid faces... like mouth wide open first and then a kiss or a wink
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:43:38
I wonder if VS will ever pick right girls for Angel-status again. They just have this weird talent to always pick the wrong girls to become angels as of lately
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:42:04
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:41:43
yeah, and next in line is Arizona Muse that VS will be shoving down our throat ....
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:36:35
I think it's safe to say Adri only got 2 outfits because she just had a baby and since she's "bigger" than the average model, it takes more time to adjust the outfits. In Ale's case however I'm completely clueless
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:33:51
@malloy: ok, I think there's a misunderstanding with "being big"? You're probably refering to just being known. I was refering more to being successful
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:27:04
I think not even the supermodels from the 90's had that impressive resume
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:26:17
no it is impossible to get as big as Gisele and Kate Upton most definitely will never get as big.... just look at Gisele's resume:
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- Stefanel F/W 2006
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- Vakko F/W 2006
- American Express Red 2006
- Apple Inc. 2006
- Ebel Jewelry 2006
- I Am African 2006
- Ipanema by Gisele Bündchen 2006
- Liverpool Fashion Fest 2006
- Nivea Beauty-Contract 2006
- Victoria's Secret Angel-Contract 2006
- Vogue Eyewear 2006
- Colcci S/S 2007
- Dolce & Gabbana "The One"-fragrance Contract S/S 2007
- Joop S/S 2007
- Roberto Cavalli S/S 2007
- Stefanel S/S 2007
- Stiefelkönig Footwear S/S 2007
- Vakko S/S 2007
- Aquascutum F/W 2007
- Colcci F/W 2007
- Dolce & Gabbana "The One"-fragrance Contract F/W 2007
- Stefanel F/W 2007
- Stiefelkönig Footwear F/W 2007
- Vero Moda F/W 2007
- Yves Saint Laurent F/W 2007
- Cacharel fragrance-Contract 2007
- Ipanema by Gisele Bündchen 2007
- Nivea 2007
- Pantene Shampoo Lateinamerika 2007
- Vivara Jewelry 2007
- Victoria's Secret Angel-Contract 2007
- Vogue Eyewear 2007
- Aquascutum S/S 2008
- Colcci S/S 2008
- Dolce & Gabbana "The One"-fragrance Contract S/S 2008
- Stefanel S/S 2008
- Stiefelkönig Footwear S/S 2008
- Vero Moda S/S 2008
- Versace S/S 2008
- Vivara Jewelry S/S 2008
- Vogue Eyewear S/S 2008
- Aquascutum F/W 2008
- Colcci F/W 2008
- Dolce & Gabbana "The One"-fragrance Contract F/W 2008
- Max Factor Color Genius Face Collection F/W 2008
- Stefanel F/W 2008
- Vivara Jewelry F/W 2008
- Vogue Eyewear F/W 2008
- Disney by Annie Leibovitz 2008
- Ebel 2008
- Ipanema by Gisele Bündchen 2008
- Pantene Shampoo Lateinamerika 2008
- Volkswagen Golf 2008
- Calzedonia S/S 2009
- Colcci S/S 2009
- Dior S/S 2009
- Dolce & Gabbana "The One"-fragrance Contract S/S 2009
- Rampage S/S 2009
- Stefanel S/S 2009
- True Religion Jeans S/S 2009
- Versace S/S 2009
- Colcci F/W 2009
- Loewe F/W 2009
- London Fog F/W 2009
- Stefanel F/W 2009
- Versace F/W 2009
- Dolce & Gabbana "The One"-fragrance Contract 2009
- Ipanema by Gisele Bündchen 2009
- Max Factor 2009
- Pantene Shampoo Lateinamerika 2009
- Sky TV 2009
- Calzedonia S/S 2010
- Colcci S/S 2010
- Colcci F/W 2010
- Roberto Cavalli "40th Anniversary"-Campaign F/W 2010
- Gafisa Construction Company 2010
- Hope Lingerie 2010
- Ipanema by Gisele Bündchen 2010
- Pantene Shampoo Lateinamerika 2010
- Sejaa Skin Care 2010
- Sky TV 2010
- Balenciaga S/S 2011
- H&M S/S 2011
- Isabel Marant S/S 2011
- Vivara S/S 2011
- Esprit F/W 2011
- Vivara F/W 2011
- Hope Lingerie 2011
- C&A by Gisele Bündchen 2011
- Gisele Bündchen Brazilian Intimates 2011
- Ipanema by Gisele Bündchen 2011
- Fashion's Night Out Brasil
- Fidelia (lingerie)
- Pantene Shampoo Lateinamerika 2011
- Sejaa Skin Care 2011
- Sky TV 2011
- Esprit S/S 2012
- Givenchy S/S 2012
- Salvatore Ferragamo S/S 2012
- Versace S/S 2012
- Versace Etoile de la Mer Eyewear S/S 2012
- Versace Jeans S/S 2012
- RED One 2015 quilt 2012
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:14:32
seriously? It's unfair to do that comparison. NO MODEL can compare with the success of Gisele.. cut that poor Candice some slack and in today's fashion industry, it's impossible to get as big as Gisele... so having a VS contract and being in hf more or less is already the biggest thing a model nowadays can achieve
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:12:26
I think Bieber's song and the circus-song are the best this year and @Mary: yeah, maybe you're the only one that liked phresh out the runway for that floral segment but everyone is free to have their opinion
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:11:24
But Justin Bieber's song really fitted the segment and has a nice beat to walk to... I think a lot of people don't like that song because it's just sung by Bieber. If it was someone else, they wouldn't be so harsh on it
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 12:03:15
Just because Heidi left at age 37, it doesn't mean every Angel has to leave at age 37
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 11:57:18
VS still needs time to produce a head Angel. Candice, who I see as the next head angel, is not ready yet. Maybe let Adri and Ale walk their last shows in 2015 which is the 20th anniversary show and by then Candice will be ready i think. Miranda and Doutzen will leave soon after Adriana and Ale since they are just little younger than both
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 11:54:55
Gisele signed a VS contract in 2000 worth 25$ million that lasted for 4 years. After that she probably renewed her contract for 3 years and in 2007 her contract was up for negotiation and that's when she left VS in the mid of 2007 and having Miranda replacing her spot
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 11:52:35
models.com is in the end of the day not an allmighty source... i mean, they feature Heidi in the SUPERs list but not Cindy Crawford??
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 11:50:31
yeah just ONE... ONE TIME it has happened that an Angel (Marisa) got the fb and two outfits and was given the boot afterwards and now since that, people assume every model that gets the fb will leave VS... some people just should stop trying to play sherlock holmes
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 10:51:48
^Couldn't agree more... Rihanna doesn't have a song that fits the segment since her music tends to be darker, but if they really needed her in that segment I would have prefered her to perform "Do ya thang"
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 10:45:33
Music-list of VSFS 2012:
1. Segment "Circus":
· The Doors - Break On Through
· Dick Dale - Misirlou
2. Segment "Dangerous Liaisons":
· Rihanna - Diamonds
3. Segment "Calendar Girls":
· Bruno Mars - Locked Out Of Heaven
4. Segment "PINK Is Me":
· Justin Bieber - Beauty And The Beat
5. Segment "Silver Screen Angels":
· Bruno Mars - Young Girls
6. Segment "Angels in Bloom":
· Rihanna - Phresh Out The Runway
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 10:36:28
justin bieber also performed "As long as you love me" (not in a segment) http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDcyOTE5OTA4.html
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 10:21:11
"Break on through" by the doors and "Misirlou" by Dick Dale... and the remix fits the circus-segment ... now I'm happy
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 10:16:52
Circus theme has A REMIX!!! It's "Break on through" by the doors with the theme from the movie Pulp fiction
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 10:09:06
sorry: http://www.videofy.me/bryanboy/672179
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 10:08:37
PINK is me-segment: http://www.videofy.me/bryanboy/672204
Karlie Kloss: videofy.me/v/672179
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 09:53:20
I still haven't figure out what' theme "Dangerous liaisons" should represent ... and some outfits look like they belong to "Silver Screen Angels"
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 09:51:31
@Jake: I also think both songs are really nice... well the little snippet we've heard so far from circus is ok... I really dig that Justin song
@Samloz: Gracias!
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 08:40:54
so we finally have all songs. Circus theme has "Break on through" by the doors as soundtrack
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 02:11:21
was the Justin Bieber segment already posted?
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 01:30:57
It's weird they let the fb come out 2nd in the angels in bloom segment
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 01:27:19
@Stanley me, me, me. I only don't have Bruno Mars performing and the video to this url: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxHV8DAQq4
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 01:26:17
just watched the Dangerous liaisons segment and hell are there few photographers... I find it the song ok now ... guess I have to get used to it from now on that they will only feature songs that are "ok", never "perfect" for the segments
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 01:18:34
urgh, the videos from Bruno Mars performing are already not on youtube anymore
VSfan88 9 Nov 2012 01:18:11
^I can only remember that for 2005
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 13:19:40
I think Ieva looks like a totally different girl from last year
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 12:34:03
oh, of course... so Lily A didn't open any segment... hope that means she's OUT soon as an Angel... wondering about Lais - she would have opened the 2nd segment if it wasn't for her ankle injury... so does that mean she can finally be called the next Angel? also wondering if Jessica Hart is the main PINK spokesmodel now and therefore replaced Elsa in that position since Jessica opened, not Elsa
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 12:27:52
no, it seems like the angels that didn't open any segment last year, got to open one this year... except for Adriana of course
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 12:01:59
jourdan closed pink
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 11:37:16
Orlando is filming lord of the rings
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 11:37:00
yeah 2010 by itself was much better than 2011 and 2012
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 11:18:16
^but music wise far better than 2010, 2011 and 2012 combined imo
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 11:06:42
Let's see who performed with the girls so far over the years:
2005: Seal (I liked he was not standing on the runway. Did the song fit? Check)
2006: Justin Timberlake (personally didn't like the song nor his performance on the runway)
2007: Will.I.Am and Seal were ok but songs could have been better chosen
2008: Usher (the only interaction with the models I liked.... the songs didn't fit at all though). Jorge Moreno - they could have spared me that
2009: BEP - Liked it
2010: Akon (his song fit, had a very good beat to walk to. Just he was a disaster on the runway). Katy Perry - liked it
2011: Kanye West - personally didn't like. Nicki Minaj (great song choice for PINK, but she not)
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:52:09
Yeah, feel free to think I'm crazy but I think Justin's song (beauty and the beat btw) was pretty ok for the pink segment. It fits the theme and has a nice beat to walk to. The point is not having so many live performers but more how their songs just DOES NOT FIT to the themes nor have a good beat to walk to.
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:50:16
^like I said Victoria's Secret Fashion Concert
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:47:45
How to walk on that silver screen angels-song.. it doesn't even have a beat... no comment to angels in bloom because I let my anger out on that enough ... one last time
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:33:14
... it's weird that no one tweeted or facebooked or whatever which song was played during the circus-segment... maybe it's a remix, so people don't know it and can't tell the song... well a dissappointed VSfan still can dream
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:31:21
^ironically, the DJ is the same that did those awesome remixes back in 2003-2006... it's clearly those rating-obsessed people at VS probably told him to use known songs and don't remix them, so people can clearly recognize them... well maybe the DJ was outta his job this year, considering all the live performances
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:24:43
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:23:36
if the circus-theme won't feature a remix, then I'm afraid they won't do any remixes anymore cause it would be the 2nd year in a row
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:22:11
Bruno Mars performed "Young girls" during "Silver Screen Angels"... another
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:12:05
I'm wondering how long will the show exist ... clearly it has reached its peak (artistically) but ratings-wise the show experiences another high.
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 10:09:20
yes, I'm kinda frustrated but kinda inspired now i designed some circus-themed segment before... I will fish my sketches out, update them and show it to you guys
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 09:54:23
I'm wondering how to get the job of Todd Thomas... I would go all the way to study fashion design, learning the names of different fabrics and learn how to sew just to bring some major outfits back to the show. And I would fight tooth and nail for good remixes to return to this damn show
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 09:51:10
Calendar girls: "Locked out of heaven" by Bruno Mars
Dangerous liaisons: "Diamonds" by Rihanna
Angels in bloom: "Fresh out the runway" by Rihanna (endless )
Don't know about Silver Screen Angels but also Bruno Mars (either "Just the way you are" or "Nothin' on you"
PINK: Justin Bieber stuff
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 09:40:36
well it's all the music's fault. When I saw Behati in her floral outfit, I liked it. The setting looked truly magical as it resembles a circus tent and has something mysterious too it and then I hear that stupid song They can play the hell outta the song when it was a videogirl-segment, but it's even worse than "Moves like Jagger" for the aquatic segment. If I was Todd, I would be completely pissed for working so hard and then have everything being accompanied by some random songs
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 09:30:37
uuurgh I knew the music will f**king mess up the show... fresh out the runway for angels in bloom? seriously VS, SERIOUSLY?
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 09:19:36
what crappy wings is that
stupid face 1:
stupid face 2:
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 09:04:55
there was a photo where Rihanna played on Isabeli's underwear... wondering if they will show it on cbs
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 08:49:53
does anyone know which "holiday" Miranda is supposed to embody?
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 08:48:46
argh, still no news about the songs performed? I'm so mad that it seems like every segment had someone performing. The day will most definitely come where every segment has a live performance. Victoria's Secret Fashion Concert 2013
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 05:10:36
i also think it's superweird that Ale and Adri got only 2 outfits... especially Ale. Adriana I kinda understand since her body couldn't get in shape on time (like Heidi in 2005) but don't they have enough outfits that cover the waist? Don't know why Ale only got 2 outfits. Judging from the outfits only and the setting, I also think this year's show is better than last year's. Half of last year's collection was pretty weak
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 01:07:38
the sexiest segment goes to Dangerous liaisons... i find circus actually quite intriguing and MAJOR to Ale's fb outfit.... what the hell is quite??
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 01:04:56
@Alexis: Wow, someone forgot Adriana was still pregnant 2 months ago... if Adriana looks like an elephant next to Lais or Candice, you certainly look like a whale next to Adriana
VSfan88 8 Nov 2012 01:03:56
Just finished skimming 27 pages and I gotta say I really dig Candice in her circus outfit ... so freakin' hot ... still a bit bumped that the music consists of so many live performers...
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:51:47
^that's actually everyone's opinion
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:49:16
@Alexis: yeah of course... it's just I'm not use to stylist for in sense of fashion designer. I always think of hair stylist when I see the word stylist
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:44:55
please no Karlie for Angel!
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:44:15
@Alexis: but they also contribute a lot of ideas for the outfits
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:40:28
Don't you guys pretend like only Charlotte and Sophia created the outfits. I think the most important person is still Todd.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:28:12
I think Charlotte Stockdale was better.. I don't know why she left designing the show... it's THE dream job per se
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:27:17
@izidominique: Charlotte Stockdale
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:18:11
I think it took a while to give Chanel the boot because she was under contract... so they couldn't fire till it expired
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:15:26
I think Ed finally realized to book girls that actually fit the brand and not just by personal liking.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:14:23
^ she made me really mad when she got that really beautiful outfit in heavenly bodies and messed it up
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:13:58
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 11:13:47
OMG seriously... of course the runway is still unfinished with all that tape on it still... how on earth can that already be finished? I'm sure once they removed the tape from the runway, the glitter will be spilled all over it
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 10:52:27
THX Brandie!
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 10:44:48
can someone post the runway?? Too many links but some of them I can't see because China blocks twitter
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 10:43:52
8 Angels? So who else is not an angel anymore among 1 Ale, 2 Adri, 3 Miranda, 4 Candice, 5 Doutzen, 6 Behati, 7 Erin, 8 Lindsay and 9 Lily A??
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 09:27:10
@Rodris: In all these co-called "confirmed list" are always some names that end up not belonging in there
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 08:27:06
I hope for a finale walk... it's been since 2006 that they haven't done a traditional finale walk with all the girls at the same time (2007 was divided) and it's damn about time
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 02:32:31
^ that's like saying Adri's 2005 final outfit and Heidi's 2008 final outfit look the same just because of the bow wings... but it doesn't matter
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 02:16:57
I don't see any resemblance of the ouftis
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 01:44:45
I think the stage looks cool with that ramp... so no fear 2012 will be like 2010/2011
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 01:40:13
i don't get Bianca's appeal. She seems old to me. and I also thought she's now quite big in the industry but that's only because of D&G
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 01:31:18
^please no reposts
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 01:07:55
Pretty surprise that Anja apparently won't walk after getting 3 outfits last year. What's her excuse not to walk this year? And to all the smart asses: I KNOW, Abbey also got 3 outfits and wasn't casted the following year but that's most likely because she changed a lot from 2009 to 2010.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2012 01:05:22
I think people should stop saying things like "how could they cast Cara/Dorothea over Bianca/Emily D"? It's simple, because Doro/Cara are contenders to walk PINK while Bianca/Emily D are likely to be compared to girls they see for other segments. So they don't compete directly with each other.
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:51:33
Ieva is fine with me... it's just everyone hopes for someone more of a veteran of the show to be announce at this point with few spots left
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:49:32
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:30:04
and of course same old, same old plea: NO MORE PINK FOR THE ENDING PLEASE! Adriana should close the show with huge wings like Heidi used to
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:28:24
I hope that the true angels will each open a segment again, namely Adriana, Ale, Candice, Miranda and Doutzen each one... the pink segment... well seems like Elsa is the main face of PINK now, so she should open it
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:27:20
I don't know about Adriana coming out second to Miranda.. you know what I'm saying with everyone anticipating to see how her body looks like now? And she's sorta too big to come out second anyway... it's outlandish to see how her first entrance in 2005 was so random: 2nd segment, coming out 4th
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:22:37
uurgh, when it comes to that snake piece... it said something that the eyes were given by a taxodermist ... so the eyes are actually real eyes
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:16:24
^seems like... I didn't see Edita in the casting vid either
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:14:02
I can't imagine who should come out 2nd if Miranda indeed will open. What do you guys think? I always prefer the first three girls in the opening segment to be angels like it always used to be
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:12:44
I don't know what else will be featured with the green corset to complete the whole outfit but it's kinda like not opening-outfit... idk screams out 2nd outfit ...or maybe I just say that because Miranda is good to come out 2nd or 3rd in an opening segment
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:11:13
if that account is fake, then tomorrow's surprise will be - NO EDITA
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:08:20
Just looking at the green corset alone, the circus segment is already better than super angels and game on
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:07:09
that would be AWESOME! There have been girls like Carmen in 2008 or Ieva in 2009 that nobody had a glue of will walk the show till the show took place. I hope Edita will be the girl for 2012... but is that her real twitter?
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 11:02:24
the setting for the circus segment can become VERY VERY spectacular if organized well... I kinda see some firespitters, girl in a swing inside a golden cage and somehow "Buttons" by Pussycat dolls as music
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:56:17
most def some accessoires for the circus segment http://imageupper.com/i/?S0300010070011J13522171732334713
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:47:08
It's nice when former angels support their former colleagues
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:44:04
I think I spotted Marloes Horst, when John Pfeiffer said "everyone wants to do the show, even the girls that pretend like they don't" or whatever it was phrased
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:41:12
@view: Shu pei's card is next to Cara's
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:30:46
Cris Urena's card is also there
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:29:45
hmm... seems like Anja is out... she's in the same row with KK who we know won't walk the show
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:28:31
if Sui he's in, them Madga also (if that is Magda's card next to Frida's)
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:26:39
ok take flavia out
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:26:32
girls I spot in the vid (with some names ealier mentioned): Alejandra Alonso · Alina Baikova · Emily Baker · Bianca Balti · Nadja Bender · Gracie Carvalho · Karlina Caune · Jessica Clarke · Rose Cordero · Flavia de Oliveira · Xenia Deli · Emily DiDonato · Barbora Dvorakova · Denisa Dvorakova · Cora Emmanuel · Magdalena Frackowiak · Bette Franke · Ros Georgiu · Chanel Iman · Kate King · Karolina Kurkova · Ieva Laguna · Keke Lindgard · Kelli Lumi · Maryna Linchuk · Nyasha Matonhodze · Eniko Mihalik · Arizona Muse · Anja Rubik · Shu Pei · Sara Sampaio · Juliana Schurig · Irina Shayk · Ava Smith · Arlenis Sosa Peña · Jessica Stam · Melissa Tammerijn · Kelsey Van Mook · Liu Wen · Jeneil Williams · Anne Vyalitsyna ·
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:10:05
@view: Sui He in on the board when Monica Mitro is talking
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 10:01:50
aargh so freakin' annoying that China block youtube
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 09:37:30
Julia congratulated Cara and Jourdan on twitter for booking the show ... i think, if she was in the show as well, she would be like "can't see you guys in the show" but she didn't mention anything about her chances for the show.
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 09:18:29
what do you mean with fitting song? Isn't it mediocre to know what random song they play when they have fittings. It could be any other song on the radio playing.
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 09:04:27
... seriously? That scissor sisters song will be used for the runway this year? Proof please
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 08:58:21
you guys are sooo right. Sometimes there are outfits that are beyond hideous and make me wonder what Todd is thinking when he made sketches of those outfits? I would have threw them in the garbage... I mean, he seriously thought the super angels-outfits are good? or the PINK outfits? 2009's Shannan's outfit was seriously "looking away and shakeing head"
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 08:28:59
Doutzen and Miranda are both equal. Just watched Miranda's penned walk in the ballet-segment and Doutzen's ballet-segment was also underwhelming. Like I said, it's about the music. If Doutzen gets to walk to faster-beat songs, of course she ends up seeming like she's the better walker.
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 05:29:49
It would be a huge setback if there won't be any Asian models in the show but VS was always a lil behind what's en vogue in the fashion industry
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 04:08:40
I can't believe how many times Cintia was mentioned. I'm impressed how many fans she has but no offense guys... it gets a bit annoying
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 00:57:57
just found out that Bruno Mars already released a newer single called "Young girls"... well it's also not necessarily the best runway song like "Locked out of heaven"... please VS, schedule change and don't let him peform during a segment. His songs are simply not runway material.
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 00:41:55
Maybe Cameron's outfit will be in the silver screen angels-segment. Sort of like a pin-up girl segment... man, VS features more and more themes that I've come up with for my own VS sketches
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 00:39:21
yeah, I also guess that it makes more sense to go with the seasons for "Calendar girls". Like 3 outfits representing spring, then 3 outfits summer, autumn and winter but we already got a x-mas sketch (which is HORRIBLE)
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 00:29:00
@alfasecret: the only pics we have so far can be seen here -> http://www.wwd.com/eye/fashion/behind-the-scenes-at-victorias-secret-6470985/slideshow#/slideshow/article/6470985/0
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 00:26:34
What is it? only 2-3 spots left? I would be freakin' annoyed if those spots would go to Winberg and Stegner. But Winberg is allegedly busy with filming Sweden's next top model and Stegner congratulated Cara and Jourdan for being in the show without indicating at all that she will be there too (kind of similiar to Andreea congratulating Joan Smalls)
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 00:23:14
^I thought 2006 was also quite good. I liked 2009's music as well (except for that Leona Lewis-disaster). 2010 and especially 2011 were freakin' lacklusters. I'm sooo curious to know who's responsible for the music... I know of course the DJ but I'm sure someone tells him to go a certain direction and that person should be FIRED ASAP!!!!
VSfan88 6 Nov 2012 00:10:21
eew shit, now I'm quite excited for the show since the outfit-sneekpeaks are magnificent, but I don't want to be because I KNOW for 99% that they will screw it up with some random music (3 segments already have shitty music )
VSfan88 5 Nov 2012 23:27:22
aargh, I hate when people avoid the question they answer to
VSfan88 5 Nov 2012 23:23:53
A tfs-user said that Liu Wen is currently in LA... could mean she won't be in the show. Also, there should be another storm hitting ny on the day of the show. So if your fav model who hasn't been confirmed yet is outside from ny, then she'll probably won't walk the show.... aaargh, seems like Edita is out
VSfan88 5 Nov 2012 23:17:15
Out of all the so far confirmed girls, there still can be some changes. It could be that Jasmine's spot goes to another model in the end. Maybe Andreea is going to be in the audience. Wasn't Tanya D attending the show before as a viewer as well?
VSfan88 5 Nov 2012 09:42:12
^still - one month is exaggerated
VSfan88 5 Nov 2012 09:32:02
In 2001, they needed like 2 days for editing
VSfan88 5 Nov 2012 09:31:49
what bugs me the most is the fact that the show might be already in two days, but it takes another MONTH before we can actually see the whole show... why the hell they need soooo long for the editing?
VSfan88 4 Nov 2012 22:58:12
VSfan88 4 Nov 2012 05:23:53
yeah, it's sad but I think KK is heading for bigger things. VS is not her only option to get exposure anymore. btw, I'm surprised to see she appeared in the 4th season of Chuck
VSfan88 4 Nov 2012 00:47:27
I'm afraid Edita won't walk... I hope she's still under VS radar even though she didn't walk last year
VSfan88 4 Nov 2012 00:25:37
on tfs they say Barbara will most def walk. There's a user who said that and last year he confirmed a lot of girls that all later on indeed walked the show.
VSfan88 4 Nov 2012 00:03:02
urgh... I don't wanna know how the circus-segment will turn out (if there's gonna be one). I tried to draw a circus-themed segment before and it's very easy to make it look corny, and with VS being supertacky these days, I'm afraid it will turn out supertacky
VSfan88 4 Nov 2012 00:01:08
I don't know why everyone is like "we don't get ANY info" and we get girls confirmed for the show day by day ... learn to appreciate the little info
VSfan88 3 Nov 2012 08:25:50
^Adriana was in the angel line-up on vsallaccess.com. So she'll walk
VSfan88 3 Nov 2012 02:44:26
oh man Andi Muise... she must be the only (former) VS model right now that I can think of who has a really low-profile career now. She's neither signed to a big agency nor does big jobs. Her time has most definitely passed
VSfan88 3 Nov 2012 00:36:07
no KK for this year:
VSfan88 2 Nov 2012 23:43:55
who knows... there are always crappy outfits in the collection. So I don't know if you guys prefer a crappy model like Dorothea wearing one of those crappy outfits or having a fan-favorite like Cintia wearing a crappy outfit
VSfan88 2 Nov 2012 23:42:22
no more Winberg and Stegner please... in the 2005 show they were the less striking ones, so it always surprises me how long they lasted. It's time for a new generation! I'm glad Sara seems to be out - there's indeed something I don't see in her
VSfan88 2 Nov 2012 23:40:19
@ModelsFan: OMG, and I thought that was the set for the vs show
VSfan88 2 Nov 2012 06:28:57
I will see how Dorothea will walk this year. Sure, her 2009 walk was eye-cancer threatening but with Lily A now in the game, I can handle more
VSfan88 2 Nov 2012 06:20:05
Lily Aldridge · Alessandra Ambrosio · Dorothea Barth Jörgensen · Lily Donaldson · Jourdan Dunn · Lindsay Ellingson · Jessica Hart · Bregje Heinen · Elsa Hosk · Isabeli Fontana · Jacqueline Jablonski · Miranda Kerr · Karlie Kloss · Doutzen Kroes · Adriana Lima · Barbara Palvin · Behati Prinsloo · Hilary Rhoda · Laís Ribeiro · Shanina Shaik · Joan Smalls · Candice Swanepoel · Maud Welzen
About Sara and Dioni: There are no reliable sources yet. Not sure about Sharam - could be a fit model only ... fingers crossed for Toni, Anja, EDITA, and Gracie
VSfan88 2 Nov 2012 06:14:07
no, Liu Wen is indeed the most established asian model out there right now
VSfan88 1 Nov 2012 10:37:55
no guys, according to this article Ellingson said she try out for the VS show two times before she made it to the show in 2007... that would mean she went to the casting for the legendary 2005-show... can you imagine Ellingson in the 2005-show??
here's the article (BRAUL here's the proof) http://www.theformulablog.com/youareababe/lindsay-ellingson-victorias-secret-angel/
VSfan88 1 Nov 2012 08:42:17
I don't say this a lot but Anja was born to become a model. On another note, I find it so super weird that girls like Lindsay Ellingson, Jessica Hart and Selita Ebanks got rejected by VS first (like "you ain't good enough to become a VS model" and then few years later, they become faces of VS... that's why I don't think they deserve the Angel-spot if VS wasn't even sure if they are angel-material when they first met those girls
VSfan88 1 Nov 2012 06:54:52
i'm curious to know what they have in store when it comes to the setting
VSfan88 1 Nov 2012 05:36:07
@Kevork89: For now, only the Angels are 100% confirmed. The girls that Todd talked about are not even 100% in... let's say 99%. There have been girls like Vlada or Ginta that did fittings and end up being NOT in the show
VSfan88 1 Nov 2012 05:29:36
Isn't Winberg always one of those girls that are confirmed last minute?
VSfan88 1 Nov 2012 05:29:15
@Kevork89: i know, but I didn't want to be like "yesss, she isn't an angel anymore" and what if she suddenly pops out in the angel intro in the tv version? I wait for that until I can be sure she ain't an angel anymore... I hope she won't even make it to the show
VSfan88 1 Nov 2012 02:21:05
@malloy: That's because it highly seems like Chanel ain't an angel anymore
VSfan88 1 Nov 2012 02:19:44
models confirmed:
Lily Aldridge
Alessandra Ambrosio
Lily Donaldson
Lindsay Ellingson
Isabeli Fontana
Jessica Hart
Elsa Hosk
Jacqueline Jablonski
Miranda Kerr
Karlie Kloss
Doutzen Kroes
Adriana Lima
Behati Prinsloo
Laís Ribeiro
Candice Swanepoel
Reportedly went to casting:
Gracie Carvalho
Rose Cordero
Flavia de Oliveira
Xenia Deli (?)
Jourdan Dunn
Constance Jablonski
Arizona Muse
Barbara Palvin
Sara Sampaio
Joan Smalls ·
Don't know who said that Barbara and Sara are confirmed...
VSfan88 31 Oct 2012 11:40:03
I don't mind if the show will be pushed back... Nov 7th to Nov 8th, 9th or 10th? It wouldn't have much effect on the airing of dec 4th.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2012 01:09:04
If Natasha gets cast... so what? You guys really believe they will do a bitchfight in front of the camera?? Sessilee and Chanel together - nothing happened. Naomi and Tyra together - nothing happened.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2012 00:36:48
I really don't understand the love for Flavia... I never really get her appeal. There's something about her in certain angles but it comes off too rarely in order for me to see what's so special about her.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2012 00:35:19
Anais is a girl that doesn't even look like a model naturally. It depends all on the make-up and hair and suddenly she can shoot amazing photos. And if a girl depends on make-up to look sexy, I really don't want to see them for the VS show because the VS make-up team doesn't know how to get the best out of a model's look
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 10:13:31
there ain't sexy Asian models out there right now that are also big in the industry. I like Liu Wen, I like Sui He, I like Xiao Wen Ju, but they ain't sexy to me. It's just not the right timing for an Asian angel yet
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 08:13:29
hmmm... it's hard to say. The true angels for me right now are Adri, Ale, Candice, Doutzen and Miranda (which is why I was really happy all of them opened a segment last year). So it feels like to me if one of them goes, all of them should go.... maybe except for Candice since she's the "new" one having the chance to become the veteran. I'd loooove for Edita to become Angel. Same goes to Toni even though both have the elegant, thus same look. Seems like no one is really a fan of her, but I like Gracie too. I think she's in fact a bombshell (Emanuela had her time). there's this one girl called Anna Wang. Maybe someone knows her as the Asian face for maybelline before they hired Shu Pei. Incredible beauty but her time to make a big breakthrough has passed as well
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 08:03:48
^same goes with Adriana when she poses with the other girls. She also looked quite the mom when she posed with Lily A, Candice, Chanel and Erin (was it?) for some event (she had that blue dress on)
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 08:01:38
I loved Adriana in the 2003 show when she had her last outfit on with those angel wings and the way she smiled with her eyes and how her hair moved
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 08:00:26
yeah it's just Adriana hasn't wow'd me for a while with her VS work whereas Ale just impressed me with her fb-shoot
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 07:55:27
They look quite the same age ... Adri might seem a lil younger because she has a rounder face but by no means Ale is looking like a wrinkly mom next to Adri.
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 07:53:25
I also think Adriana is still beautiful but the way she looked like in the 2003 show... OMG
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 07:51:09
@Brandie: A lot of people, including me, think that VS needed some American spokesmodel. That's why Lily A, Lindsay, Erin and Chanel suddenly became Angels around the same time. I can't wait for Lily A and Lindsay to go. I'm glad Chanel was given the boot but I don't feel happy since there are still too many unnecessary Angels. There's still A LOOOONG WAY TO GO before the Angel line-up is ok again. But I'm almost sure VS will hire the next crop of crappy angels. Any contenders? I won't be so happy when they'd make Jessica Hart an Angel
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 07:47:08
hell no... if someone is aging well than most definitely Alessandra is. She hasn't change from 2005 until now whereas Adri has A LOT!
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 02:18:33
I also think there are girls out there who are so sexy and obviously better off as VS angels and yet VS always chooses so many random girls to become Angels. It's almost irritating.
VSfan88 30 Oct 2012 02:09:47
Maybe Adri and Ale will stay for another three years. I'm not sure but I think they renewed their contracts in 2007 for five years. So it would expire with this year. As much as I like Adriana, I think she passed her prime-time when it comes to her looks. Ale is still looking fine as hell. Doutzen and Miranda should be also staying for the next 2-3 years. I'm a lil bit concerned what comes after these girls leave VS. As of yet Candice is only girl worth having the Angel-title.
VSfan88 29 Oct 2012 11:15:11
hope Bruno Mars won't perform in a segment. I really don't like his new song even though I try to. Plus, I don't get why people think it would fit the "circus-segment" (if there's gonna be one). The song doesn't sound circus-like to me at all (PINK's 2006's "Bossy"-remix would have been perfect)
VSfan88 29 Oct 2012 11:13:49
PINK was actually fine with me in the beginning and that's probably because the usual girls in the other segments walked it and not some extra girls. But looking at the recent years, I gotta say the PINK-segment might always have the WORST outfits, but it always had the best music (that will be probably change with this year though )
VSfan88 29 Oct 2012 08:23:44
@Brandi: People ain't only tired of PINK closing the show, they are tired of PINK in general
VSfan88 29 Oct 2012 08:22:18
hell no Elettra ... she barely looks like a model to me
VSfan88 29 Oct 2012 08:21:59
hmm Magdalena looks fine to me... on tfs they insinuated something about her weight ... whateva
VSfan88 29 Oct 2012 01:44:21
VSfan88 29 Oct 2012 01:44:06
latest shots of Adriana - I sincerely hope she can get back in shape on time but aren't fitting just days away? Whatever, they can cover her up like they did with Ale last year
VSfan88 29 Oct 2012 01:33:12
yes Joan and Anja are always welcomed to do the show... wondering if Anja looks healthier now
VSfan88 27 Oct 2012 03:38:31
^yeah but consider in what kind of segments they are always put in. They primarily walk in romatic segments and barely get to walk in segments with strong fast-beat music. for example last year: Candice walked in the 1st segment (very energetic but slow beat song), 3rd segment (slow beat) and 5th song (either you walk ridiculously fast or very slow to catch every beat). The only good song that had an energetic and good beat to walk was "Moves like Jagger" but with that thing on her hips, I don't even know if Miranda could have given a strong walk.
VSfan88 27 Oct 2012 03:10:58
*I mean pull off wearing wings
VSfan88 27 Oct 2012 03:09:57
Actually I don't know why everyone hates the idea Miranda opens. I think she's come a long way. When she first started I never saw her having that extra umph to pull out wings or even wear the fb but she's done all that in the past years and pulled it off. So I think she can pull off opening the show. It all depends on the music and the editing.
VSfan88 27 Oct 2012 03:08:32
there is a high chance for Miranda to open. In the last two years the girl that eventually opened had her picture lined up first on the clip board. Not so sure if it's the same for 2009 since I've never seen the board for that year. In 2008 it wasn't the case (Heidi's comp card was 1st and Adriana's 2nd) and in 2007 I'm not sure - i saw the board of that year in a vid but it was very bad quality.
VSfan88 27 Oct 2012 01:39:14
now that it seems Chanel ain't an angel anymore, I'm wondering if she'll walk this year's show... my wishes would come true earlier than expected, if she won't. Fingers cross for Lindsay and Lily A getting the boot next year
VSfan88 27 Oct 2012 01:33:53
I can't wait for a casting video to pop out. THAT'S THE TIME where it feels the most exciting
VSfan88 26 Oct 2012 13:23:03
Of course everyone thinks Doutzen did incredibly well in 2005. She is a good walker but it all depends on the music and "I like the way you move" is a very good song to give a strong walk on the runway. But VS unfortunately and foolishly doesn't play such strong songs anymore.
VSfan88 26 Oct 2012 13:15:42
@Brandi: I was referring to that picture Todd Thomas posted and there is a board with models pictures on it and some people already think those models on the board are the ones that will be in this year's show... isn't it obvious that it just shows girls they consider for the show??
VSfan88 26 Oct 2012 03:58:55
other girls that attended castings: Josephine Skriver, Shanina Shaik and Arlenis
VSfan88 26 Oct 2012 03:55:18
Some people must be really stupid or just utterly thoughtless... castings just started yesterday. How can the board already be the models line-up for the show??
VSfan88 26 Oct 2012 03:38:35
@Frank: Sorry Frank. I can't see your video, so it wouldn't help me to know the other songs' names
VSfan88 25 Oct 2012 11:05:27
^I can only recall that there was a photo of Ginta, wearing an "enchanted forest"-outfit that later went to Rosie
VSfan88 25 Oct 2012 07:39:36
ew dorothea was one of THE worst girls ever chosen for the show
VSfan88 24 Oct 2012 22:11:03
i can't see the video... I can see other videos but not yours. It's weird
VSfan88 23 Oct 2012 05:58:52
seems like a lot of people want to see Jourdan and Cintia in the show. I don't get Jourdan for VS that much either. When it comes to Cintia, I get why people want her for the show but I think her time is over for any major jobs and to walk the VSFS is one of them. But wouldn't mind if she gets casted.
VSfan88 22 Oct 2012 01:17:46
^There are SOME people on tfs that are trustworthy. So it depends on WHO is the one that gives "info" away
VSfan88 22 Oct 2012 00:26:56
@malloy: Honestly, i don't know what poster you're referring to. The last thing I wrote was about someone said on tfs casting prep has begun and now you're talking about a poster and the John Pfeiffer article with Candice right? I didn't talk about something like that
VSfan88 21 Oct 2012 01:09:13
eeer no.... someone said he heard castings have started and vivaglam confirmed. No one was talking like they based their "info" on that john pfeiffer article and why would it be so unbelievable that casting prep has begun? It can be considered end of october!
VSfan88 20 Oct 2012 08:58:59
over 50 pictures from models when they were just kids http://nymag.com/thecut/2012/10/see-pictures-of-wee-naomi-campbell-and-kate-moss.html
VSfan88 20 Oct 2012 08:58:27
On tfs they said casting prep has already begun
VSfan88 19 Oct 2012 23:28:27
@Frank: Let me get back to you later. I have to use a proxy to enter youtube because I currently live in China and the proxy just works sometimes and now it does not. I will try it later again.
VSfan88 19 Oct 2012 23:27:14
@Nathan: It seems VS has been pimped it up since the video. The bra also has some green things on the bra that you don't see in the vid either.
VSfan88 19 Oct 2012 02:22:05
models turn actresses, fashion designers or tv personalities, but Karlie? -> http://models.com/oftheminute/?p=48338
VSfan88 19 Oct 2012 00:58:16
Adriana must be exercising her butt now like crazy.... ?
btw, here's some tyra in her hf days: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg22FqABGRI
VSfan88 19 Oct 2012 00:57:38
I think Cara would be nice for the show. I only saw her walk in the Dsqaured² show but I liked it somehow and she's even old enough to walk the show.
VSfan88 18 Oct 2012 13:07:37
I also like it. It's ok that there are no crystals on the sites because the bra matches the colors of the crystals unlike the fb Adriana wore in 2010 (which looked very cheap therefore). I'm looking forward what accessoires is going to accompany the bra. Will it be wings? or a cape?
VSfan88 16 Oct 2012 08:09:11
Toni was big after her CK exclusive, probably because she scored the campaign of that season solo. And then she skipped one fashion week to focus on her final exams and then she suddenly disappeared and is now rising again.
VSfan88 16 Oct 2012 08:06:53
I liked Anja with short hair the most. I think that suits her the best.
VSfan88 15 Oct 2012 11:14:36
^I also had a VSFS dream the other day. It was just about the 2006 show and the girls had final outfits for the scotland segment and they looked very nice
VSfan88 14 Oct 2012 01:10:19
The supposed covers of this year's x-mas catalog:
seeing Erin next to Candice, I gotta say that I wanna see Erin out as much as Lindsay, Lily A and Chanel (well she finally is )
Her body looks like that of a 14 year old boy. NOT SEXY AT ALL!
VSfan88 13 Oct 2012 02:03:36
I also wanna see Chanel completely out but if it's a shoot for PINK, then I don't mind. I was always ok with Chanel when she first started with PINK. and then it was like "...well", when she did mainline VS and then "WTF??!!!" when she became an angel (worst VS mistake ever... I don't even know if I think Lily A is worse or less bad)
VSfan88 13 Oct 2012 01:59:02
@CL: Don't be such a coward and address me instead of "some people". Me following VSFS and how they choose girls, there's never a tendency of preference for a girl unless you're John Pfeiffer's protege. So would you just lose the attitude and stop trying to cause drama with writing things like I'm trying to claim authority. That's just immature. You're welcome
VSfan88 12 Oct 2012 07:59:22
again! Just because a girl shot for VS before doesn't give her a better chance to be casted for the show! There are tons of girls that did the catalog but never did the show whereas there have been girls before that were chosen to do the show without having shot with VS before! I hope everyone gets it now
VSfan88 12 Oct 2012 00:35:40
^ there are enough hf girls that don't do VS. For example, half of the girls in the top 10 on models.com haven't done the VSFS before.
VSfan88 9 Oct 2012 23:25:25
See, Ale fills in the fb quite well... screw the trash talk that her boobs are too small for the fb.
VSfan88 9 Oct 2012 23:24:25
@Alexis: Where did you hear that Bieber will perform in a segment?
The fb looks nice. I wish that thing under the rose wouldn't be there though. It would have been better to place the big rock in the center of the rose. The way it is now, it looks like a flacon attached in the middle of the fb
VSfan88 9 Oct 2012 00:54:25
VSfan88 8 Oct 2012 22:32:21
^I hope he doesn't even get the chance to perform in a segment at all... so it won't be anyway for him to interact with all these girls.
VSfan88 8 Oct 2012 01:06:01
I also don't have anything against Marisa. At first, I wasn't thrilled to see her becoming an angel but then i started watching some angels interviews and she won me over with her personality. But she wasn't getting any further while being an angel and I don't like it when girls are usually nothing if it wasn't for VS like in Selita's case.
VSfan88 8 Oct 2012 00:59:54
@Frank: Todd posted that castings won't start until the end of oct.
VSfan88 8 Oct 2012 00:59:28
@malloy: can't watch the youtube video but if it's the alexander mcqueen show, then it was the one that put Gisele on the map
VSfan88 7 Oct 2012 10:17:03
eer.... no there are no better redheads... thinking of other sexy red hair models, I gotta say Cintia is the first one to go.
VSfan88 7 Oct 2012 10:15:05
Well VS is all about using hf models and Marisa is not a hf model .... as I can recall you even said it yourself. But I don't blame you for stepping up for your obsession for Marisa since your username is Marisa... yes, of course your name is Marisa, too
VSfan88 7 Oct 2012 01:24:21
Why would they cast Cintia? VS doesn't cast girls that aren't big in the industry anymore. There are some exceptions like Marisa or Lily A but for that you clearly need to be American. Or Cintia is as lucky as Noémie but highly doubt it
VSfan88 7 Oct 2012 01:18:22
I'm not so sure about Andreea. She has tooooo many birthmarks for my taste. Irina K has a banging body and endless legs but not so sure if she fits VS face-wise
VSfan88 5 Oct 2012 04:05:34
well, Deanna was never that big in the industry. So I'm surprised you can see her doing work at all. About Tiiu.... well they always say things like today you're at the top and tomorrow you're out. It gotta come from somewhere
VSfan88 3 Oct 2012 06:32:02
and people on tfs start to complain again that VS doesn't have one black angel and that there's only one token black girl and blah, blah, blah. Seriously, I'd rather have no black angel than Chanel to fill in the "token black angel"-spot.
VSfan88 3 Oct 2012 06:30:46
it's 99% sure that Chanel ain't an angel anymore. She's not listed in here in the angels-lIst http://vsallaccess.victoriassecret.com/fashionshow
VSfan88 3 Oct 2012 06:27:13
I guess the VS people have become victims of commerce. The only thing they think of are the ratings. Sure it's very important to make people tune in but I almost lost my respect for the show because they sacrifice their own artistry. "The super angels"-segment or that drawing with that christmas outfits and the beard as a mask are complete jokes. Something like that would have NEVER EVER happened in the glory days of the VSFS.
VSfan88 2 Oct 2012 23:06:12
let's hope she ain't one anymore
VSfan88 2 Oct 2012 22:38:00
@Kevork89: Someone said Chanel wasn't mentioned in last year's press release either but still she was in the intro... but then again Lais was in the intro too? Well, we'll see if Chanel will be featured in the intro this year
VSfan88 2 Oct 2012 22:37:06
For me Justin Bieber is like Chanel Iman. Actually, I have nothing against both but they just don't fit what VS stands for... or what we all think what VS should stand for because VS is getting stranger and stranger
VSfan88 2 Oct 2012 22:34:29
I told you guys VS knows how to annoy us with their song choices.
VSfan88 2 Oct 2012 22:33:42
a lil late but: WHAT THE HELL?? Justin Bieber - that's like hiring Aaron Carter in the 90's. What the hell is going on with them? I have no idea why VS tries to appeal to teenagers? What the hell is going with them?
VSfan88 2 Oct 2012 10:12:08
Lady GaGa, Rihanna and PSY
VSfan88 2 Oct 2012 10:04:40
uurgh 3 performers?? Isn't that a lil much? Probably that means three performers for three segments. There goes three segments that we can forget about having unique remixes as runway soundtrack
VSfan88 2 Oct 2012 10:02:57
She will most probably sing her new single "diamonds", fitting one of the segments that were called "opulent" i guess
VSfan88 1 Oct 2012 10:44:41
Castings for this year's show won't be until the end of Oct :/
@passion4runway @swarovski @vs_fashionshow oh no, we have a way to go- casting will be towards the end of oct- but look for usual angels!
VSfan88 29 Sep 2012 23:58:46
Yasmine must be one of the most underrated models out there.
VSfan88 29 Sep 2012 12:51:59
The VS team always says what they're looking for in a girl but we all know that they like to go with the "exception to the rule"-formular. If they loved Kendra, she will make it anyway. Not sure about Aline. Actually glad she never made it because the VSFS make-up artists don't know how to accentuate the sexiness of a not so obviously sexy model (best examples: Karlie, Chanel, Behati, Karmen)
VSfan88 28 Sep 2012 11:40:47
I have the feeling Bette Franke has great chances to be in this year's VSFS... she always seems to be the one that stands out io this season's shows.
VSfan88 27 Sep 2012 06:27:00
I would describe Karlie's walk as hmmm.. classy couture walk? I think neither Karlie nor Anja should open. Even though the Angel-concept has totally become vague, I think opening the show should still be a privilege only reservated for the Angels and don't come at me with KK and Carmen opened the show as non-angels. That used to be a different time where girls at age 16 could walk the show.
VSfan88 25 Sep 2012 00:54:14
^the music for the 6 segments will probably be having two acts perform live and the other 4 segments will have commercial music. If we're lucky, we will hear one good remix or like last year NONE. That's what is to expect. I hope VS will prove me wrong.
VSfan88 24 Sep 2012 06:46:15
^those are experienced models that you're talking about. Not fair to compare them with the newbies and you did not just use Sasha as an example because her walk is a total wreck. And what you're talking about is star quality and not personality. Joan S stomps on the runway... so what does that mean? she's a bitch? How on earth can a walk represent a character trait? whateva... just forget about it
VSfan88 23 Sep 2012 22:42:39
^how can you already know by a simple walk if someone has personality or not? The girls are told to walk like that. So don't be so dramatic and accuse them of having no personality
VSfan88 22 Sep 2012 09:40:15
well, then they need to define "too skinny" for me because Chanel is probably one of the skinniest girls in the industry and she made it even to "angel"-status
VSfan88 22 Sep 2012 05:59:45
Since girls like Chanel, Aminata, a 2008 Caroline W and the 2011 Anja walk the show, there's no such thing like "being too skinny" to walk the VSFS... screw the "we're looking for curvy girls" hypocritical talk
VSfan88 22 Sep 2012 05:54:34
please no Anna S... she doesn't fit VS
VSfan88 21 Sep 2012 03:57:59
I don't know about Kylie Minogue. I'm not too fond of her. There's something so queer about her music. I would prefer Lady GaGa. She's what VS needs even though she lacks new music material
VSfan88 21 Sep 2012 03:56:36
In that slideshow, I actually only got turned off by Elettra Wiedemann. She seriously doesn't look like a model on that pic. "Meh" was the right word for it.
VSfan88 21 Sep 2012 03:52:17
exactly LM! That blonde Aussie friend is Elyse Taylor. Yeah, she's quite known but in the end Miranda made it bigger than Elyse has ever been in the industry. It's similar to when people in here compared Fernanda with Adriana. Adriana is still going strong in the industry and where's Fernanda now? Nowhere!
VSfan88 19 Sep 2012 06:23:01
If there will be indeed a circus-segment, then it would be so cliché to use that Britney-song. But I hope they find something that fits though. Last year's ballet-theme didn't have that ballet-feeling when it came to the music. I wished they mixed the "swan theme" by tchaikovsky with another song. "Dance of the Cygnets" would have been great too, but it was already used in 2005.
VSfan88 19 Sep 2012 05:57:27
I'm actually not so concerned about the outfits every year. The only thing that always gets on my nerve is the fact how fu**ing commercial they became with the music! Hello VS! That was something that made you stand out! Those unique remixes. Tell the DJ to get his lazy-ass act together. And no more "Ni**as in Paris"-shit anymore. That was so annoying.
VSfan88 19 Sep 2012 05:53:56
^Todd posted that pic and says that segment was scrapped
VSfan88 18 Sep 2012 06:30:55
@malloy: Just because they hired Hana and Julia for VS swim before, doesn't mean it's ok to cast Karlie for it. And I don't even know why some of you put Hana in the same category with Karlie or Julia. She's by no means as skinny as both of them which is a good thing!
VSfan88 16 Sep 2012 09:34:42
I thought for a sec that is Marisa
VSfan88 16 Sep 2012 00:41:23
I wasn't very fond of last year's show because it was like a bad copy of the 2010 show. And Adriana has also become a model that can't wear any make-up. But she's a very weird case for me. Depending on the make-up she can look totally busted or she can look like the Adriana in her best days.
The polaroid is from november 2011 and the other pic from the 2010 show. See the shocking difference?
VSfan88 15 Sep 2012 11:30:54
hey guys. After showing you my own sketches with a baroque theme and my own rendition of the aquatic segment, I wanna draw the next segment. I got a) an egyptian segment, b) a segment inspired by the tales of the grimm brothers and c) a segment with a 1930's sort of glamour look as the next contenders that I would like to draw. Which segment you'd like to see first?
VSfan88 15 Sep 2012 11:08:10
ooooh don't even get me started on Caroline Winberg. She's been waaay too long around. And she's literally the only girl that posed exactly the same every freakin' single time. Even Julia gave us something different in her Rome-antique walk in the 2007 show but Winberg just seems to know one pose.
VSfan88 15 Sep 2012 11:05:04
I don't want Karmen for VS and it's not even her fault. She's just one of those girls like Karlie, Chanel or Liu that need specific make-up to look sexy and the make-up artist for the VSFS show just don't have what it takes. It seems like there's a cookie cutter-formular. Hair and make-up is the same for each girl with few exceptions. That's when the sexiness of some girls like Karmen can't be accentuated.
VSfan88 14 Sep 2012 06:53:56
hey Kevork89... welcome back! :
VSfan88 14 Sep 2012 00:21:27
^Is that Shanina?
VSfan88 13 Sep 2012 10:05:04
Magda was actually booked last year but she dropped out to shoot a campaign and Natasha reportedly got casted several times but also dropped out to do other gigs. So it seems like that VS wants them to do their show, so it depends on the girls if they have time to do the show. In Abbey's case, however, I doubt she will walk the show again. Not until she changes her current (and weird) look
VSfan88 13 Sep 2012 07:19:19
Soooo happy that Adriana finally gave birth to her child. I hope she can make it in two months. Last time she was pregnant she obviously needed more time.
VSfan88 13 Sep 2012 07:18:26
Idk why everyone hates Miranda... she's supposed to be bitchy and self-centered but wasn't that also said about Candice? And where are the proofs? I guess rumors are
VSfan88 13 Sep 2012 07:17:36
They will never hire Raquel because she's (to put it in the words of some users here) "too big" which I never understood. You're never "too big" to find a multi-million-contract attractive unless you're ... Gisele.
VSfan88 13 Sep 2012 00:58:51
We'll see what will happen to Miranda... as I can recall, her name was mentioned in that press release when VS announced when the show is going to be aired. Funny thing is, it didn't mention Chanel... so she ain't an angel anymore?
VSfan88 5 Sep 2012 20:58:02
VSfan88 5 Sep 2012 10:03:58
I also think Caroline Brasch Nielsen was one of the better ones last year. She was way more enjoyable to watch than Karlie, Jacquelyn, Lily A, Chanel and even Maryna, who got seriously ugly outfits
VSfan88 5 Sep 2012 10:01:49
I also don't understand how they can continue with that PINK-crap when it seems that everyone hates it. And I hate the fact that the VS team thinks it works because of the ratings, when it's highly doubtful that people tune in for that crappy segment (they obviously tune in for the major performers they always get)
VSfan88 5 Sep 2012 09:58:13
I dont think it's the problem of the themes, but rather how they used them. Still to this date, I can't believe how they wasted the Aquatic theme which could have been major! But they took the theme to the wrong direction and putting Maroon 5 as a soundtrack for that theme was also a major failure.
VSfan88 4 Sep 2012 09:31:10
The second one is great. The first one cheesy as hell hope that won't make the cut
VSfan88 2 Sep 2012 08:43:45
Heidi is not #1! The SUPERS-list doesn't follow any ranking
VSfan88 2 Sep 2012 08:40:30
that's because the monage dreams thing is a concert/fashion show kind of thing.
VSfan88 1 Sep 2012 16:28:57
I didn't see Joan coming at numero one as well. And I knew Anja was going to be in the icon's list as well. She's been successful in the industry longer than Lara Stone.
VSfan88 1 Sep 2012 16:25:36
@evang18: Heidi had far less hf recognition and she's also in it
VSfan88 26 Aug 2012 13:03:41
I hope it's Lily A's and Chanel's last show this year (best thing would be if they won't appear in this year's show already). Chanel might have gained weight but her face is still so kidlike. It works for some girls like Esti Ginzburg but not for her.
VSfan88 26 Aug 2012 13:01:19
The monage outfits are just cheap imitations of the VS show. So why should the Angels promote the imitation?
VSfan88 24 Aug 2012 07:32:42
Shit... so that means she'll be in this year's show
VSfan88 24 Aug 2012 07:32:25
Did I just miss the congrats or didn't anyone even mention that Lily A had her baby because no one cares about her? It's been already in late June that she got her baby.
VSfan88 14 Aug 2012 09:00:49
Doutzen is clearly the most beautiful without all that heavy make-up and big hair like in the L'oreal commercial. Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_6m5FgF2E
VSfan88 10 Aug 2012 17:01:56
I don't know about Bregje either. I found her stunning in last year's show and in the commercial with Behati and Candice but I sorta got enough from her now. VS please focus on Barbara, Toni and Shanina more
VSfan88 10 Aug 2012 16:58:08
hmmm... Daiane is a pretty girl but I don't see it. She does have an appeal that demands instant recognition but I don't see her look being interesting for the long run. The modeling world still has yet to find a black girl that appeals to the commercial and high fashion aspect of the fashion industry.
VSfan88 9 Aug 2012 12:28:11
Body by Victoria-campaign
Models: Bregje Heinen, Candice Swanepoel, Erin Heatherton, Barbara Palvin, Kate Bock, Lais Ribeiro
VSfan88 6 Aug 2012 07:54:50
I'm about to draw a new segment. This time I'll probably do my own version of the aquatic section. Gotta do some research because for me the toughest thing is not actually the drawing but what kind of colors I should use.
VSfan88 5 Aug 2012 10:10:17
VSfan88 5 Aug 2012 10:09:56
1st segment finally finished:
VSfan88 3 Aug 2012 08:06:21
aww the fittings for the legendary 2005 show. Btw I'm currently drawing a segment of my own VS creations. 8 out of 10 outfits are finished. I took "Russian babes" as an inspiration when it came to details and damn that segment is truly a masterpiece. The details of each outfit are craaaazy.
VSfan88 2 Aug 2012 19:41:05
haha that guy at the bottom
VSfan88 2 Aug 2012 07:03:43
here's a more complete list: http://dts-utopia.npage.de/victorias-secret/vs-models-a-z.html
VSfan88 1 Aug 2012 18:51:23
@malloy: So did Candice ca. 2008/2009 and she still wasn't an official angel by that time
VSfan88 1 Aug 2012 13:39:33
Don't forget Fei Fei Sun who also did the DKNY be delicious campaign! I wouldn't say Lais took Chanel's spot since she's not an Angel yet. Seems like Chanel is out and VS has yet to decide who they want as a replacement and I would say Lais is first choice with Arlenis being 2nd but Lais is of yet nothing more than girls like Toni, Arlenis and recently Bregje.
VSfan88 30 Jul 2012 16:31:18
Carola Remer 4 Victoria's secret lookbook, but underwhelming pictures
VSfan88 28 Jul 2012 21:17:19
Behati looks stunning in that pic... I wish they would put make-up on them like this for the VS show but for some reason they always have that cookie cutter make-up for every single girl which doesn't change for the individual cases
VSfan88 28 Jul 2012 09:13:45
^the 2nd picture is far worse
VSfan88 27 Jul 2012 14:44:24
can't be said that about Elsa just because she does PINK prominently but she's still yet to be called the next main PINK spokesmodel. Chanel I hope is outta the game. Seems like she's not going to be in the holiday commercial again and if she's not going to be in the intro of the televised version this year, she can finally be ruled out.
VSfan88 26 Jul 2012 19:31:51
Let's not make it sound like Tyra is the big loser in here. ANTM has produced approximately 1000 seasons and for a show that was able to last for such a long time... well "The face" should copy that success first before some of you make it sound like it's already a bigger success than ANTM
VSfan88 26 Jul 2012 19:28:26
I hope the show will be more realistic than ANTM. KK hosted another model show called "das perfekte Model" in Germany and it was more real and the model hopefuls really got to do real jobs and not all those staged runway shows. Therefore I hope "The face" will be as real as "das perfekte Model".
VSfan88 25 Jul 2012 19:16:22
^eerr... isn't a career priority to earn big money? I guess you try to tell me that some models don't wanna do VS because of the image lingerie might have.
VSfan88 25 Jul 2012 18:22:55
yeah you're right. Those that still hate are just fat, jealous bitches behind their computers in their little room anyway.
VSfan88 25 Jul 2012 13:24:15
i hope though that this "VS girls go high fashion"-trend will be a good thing for future VS angels and will change the perception of those hf snobs.
VSfan88 25 Jul 2012 06:58:14
if Barbara and Bregje are going to do the holiday commercial, then I think they are going to be in this year's show
VSfan88 25 Jul 2012 06:49:44
Selita confuses me as of lately, because she does NOTHING as a model for a long time.
VSfan88 25 Jul 2012 06:47:03
Again Nicko please read my comments carefully. I never said all the models want to do the VS show, I said they should want to do it because it pays well. My point is that it's not even primarily about doing VS, it's more about what kind of money you can earn from it and if you get the chance to earn big bucks in your job, why would you want to reject that chance?
VSfan88 24 Jul 2012 17:53:35
The VS show is one of the best paid jobs in the fashion industry and in the end of the day, it's all about the money in your profession, so any model should do it. And I never understood why some people write "This or that model doesn't need to do VS in the stage of her career". I mean, I never heard "This or that model doesn't need to do L'oreal or Prada or whateva". Only with VS. I don't think it's because they don't want the exposure. If you're not a contracted Angel, regular people wouldn't even remember you if you just walk one show - hell, a lot of them don't even know the contracted angels. And if there are models that don't wanna show their bodies that much, they can say it. Anja or Tyra also said they always want their butts covered and Coco is also big enough as a model to demand that kind of special treatment.
VSfan88 24 Jul 2012 17:46:18
I still think it's stupid for any model to decide not to do the VS show. I never heard of Daria never wanted to do VS. As far as I know, it was a rat race between VS and Lancome to get Daria and if Daria never wanted to do VS, both companies wouldn't have needed to woo her in the first place. So Daria must have considered to do VS and was not turned off by it from the get go. As far as Coco: She should watch the VS show. It has changed a lot. There are some outfits in the show now that are more clothing than lingerie.
VSfan88 24 Jul 2012 17:42:05
@Nicko: I was not bothered because of Winberg, but because by the way you talked about the fashion industry like it's an adult industry and if you would have read my comment carefully, you would have known THAT.
VSfan88 23 Jul 2012 16:56:05
VSfan88 23 Jul 2012 16:54:58
@nicko: As for Winberg: She can be utterly sexual in her tweets as much as wants because I don't care about her anyway but trying to explain her tweets that she's been in the industry for so long made it sound like you tried to portrait the fashion industry as the adult industry. I have no idea what was that about??
VSfan88 23 Jul 2012 16:52:23
I think it's stupid to assume a model doesn't want to do the VS show. It's one of the most lucrative jobs in the industry, so why would someone pass out on the chance to do the show unless they have a campaign to shoot or whateva. Some fans really just need to deal with the fact that VS has never picked them again. Period.
VSfan88 22 Jul 2012 19:14:16
I think one of the most underrated VS models is Katja Shchekina - she is one of the few epitomes of crazy exotic bombshell
VSfan88 22 Jul 2012 19:11:51
I'm also over Winberg and Stegner. Out of the models of the legendary 2005 show, I would have never thought that exactly those girls would last the longest from all the non-angels to appear in the show year after year. I kinda understand why they always hire Stegner back since there are always some outfits that fit her but Winberg??
VSfan88 21 Jul 2012 14:23:33
^that's only because of the PINK section. Most solo walkers appear in that segment but in general only the 2003 and 2006 show are the only ones in which every model had at least 2 outfits.
VSfan88 21 Jul 2012 11:45:01
It shouldn't annoy you malloy. The VS show is pretty much like any other show when it comes to that.
VSfan88 20 Jul 2012 16:56:51
I also don't think it's KK. It looks like another model. It doesn't matter that NYDaily News, ABC news, Dailymail or whatever were talking about it because they all have the same source or they write from each other off. Same thing when Toni Garrn allegedly became an Angel. Several notable and reliable German media outlets reported about it and we all know it's wrong.
VSfan88 19 Jul 2012 14:28:11
As long as it looks great, I personally don't care if the bra is totally covered with diamonds or only partially.
VSfan88 18 Jul 2012 06:25:38
^As of yet: No, she's not
VSfan88 16 Jul 2012 15:51:23
hmm... not the biggest fan of Toni's vogue cover - she had better ones (including better German Vogue covers). The elle cover can't be seen
VSfan88 15 Jul 2012 04:38:49
yeah it would be crazy, if it would have taken 7 years... I think someone meant to say months instead of years.
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 18:37:26
^black robe? Most definitely it could be
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 05:39:26
I would be very disappointed if Keke Lindgaard would make the show... she's seriously not interesting as a model, so it would piss me off if she would get the gig just because John Pfeiffer has his radar on her
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 05:37:02
I wouldn't mind to see Hanaa Ben Abdesslem for the show if there are some edgy, sophisticated outfits in the collection
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 05:27:36
for some reason, I would love to see Irina Shayk for the show... probably because I advocate that VS should seriously go back to its roots and hire sexy women and Irina is one of the few in today's fashion world
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 05:25:15
yeah nicko you're right and I think face-wise Juju fits VS much better than Karlie or Chanel especially. I'm also rooting for a girl called Nimue Smit - I get the same vibe from her that Caroline Trentini gives me. Beautiful girl as well
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 05:24:30
I've been following Juju's career long before she got her big break with the fall 2011-season. It's the same with Toni Garrn. So it would be like a dream come true if Juju would get the VS show gig.
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 05:19:47
haha funny nicko how you mentioned her when I was typing my comment about her
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 05:19:13
I think Juju Ivanyuk would also be great for the show but she seriously has zero boobs
VSfan88 13 Jul 2012 05:18:32
it does look bad for Chanel - wasn't she the only "angel" who didn't make it to last year's holiday commercial (Miranda was pregnant and Behati has always been the underdog).
VSfan88 12 Jul 2012 09:16:50
results of Bette Franke's and Josephine Skriver's VS shoots are out:
VSfan88 12 Jul 2012 05:36:03
still can't wait for the first rumors to surface that Chanel isn't an angel anymore... and to all the dumbasses: I just WISH she isn't an angel anymore. Don't I see a rumor starting that Chanel isn't an angel anymore with this.
VSfan88 4 Jul 2012 22:37:52
there used to be a time where they said "Victoria's Secret model" and "Victoria's secret angel" but now it's true - every model is called Angel now. btw, Doutzen rocks on the runway! and eeew to John Pfeiffer for putting his radar on Keke Lindgard? Are you serious? No spark that girl! Barely even looks like a model to me - you should put your radar on Irina, Bar, Anna Wang, Emily DiDonato & co.
VSfan88 1 Jul 2012 14:06:28
I also think a model should never be an Angel for more than 10 years.
VSfan88 1 Jul 2012 14:05:50
I think Ale's post-baby body is the most similiar to her pre-baby body when comparing her to Adriana or Miranda. I'm kinda curious now to see how Adriana will look like after just 2 months of working out since it took her awhile to get in shape again with her first baby. Sad, but kinda ok for me if the rumors are true and Ale will indeed leave with this year which is also the year of negotiating her contract since she and Adriana were rumored to have signed a 5-years-Angel contract back in 2007. Guess Adriana re-signed and Ale didn't/couldn't.
VSfan88 1 Jul 2012 12:31:51
^I completely agree about the comparison between Ale and Adriana. Miranda might be big but she's just two years younger than Ale and Adri. So once both go, she'll be next soon, too. So VS seriously need to find some new promising faces because all the new girls ain't got Leader-Angel quality (except for Candice maybe, but she we'll need more time)
VSfan88 1 Jul 2012 01:02:45
Do those speculation even come from a reliable source? I don't think, there's such thing like "stripped off her wings because she's getting too old". None of the elder Angels look old enough to go and among them (Miranda, Ale, Adriana) Adriana has changed the most over the years - so no tag "found fountain of youth" 4 her.
VSfan88 26 Jun 2012 08:09:09
I hope Dolce & Gabban will hire models again for the next season. For the fall 2012 show, they had 8 Asian male models walking their show which I think is major.
VSfan88 26 Jun 2012 07:36:14
I like Bregje Heinen... there's something special about her in motion. Kinda sad to see what a strong start she had her first runway season walking Karl Lagerfeld, Gucci, Louis Vuitton etc. and now she's only doing random shows in NY
VSfan88 26 Jun 2012 06:58:33
ok, I'm lil late with watching the Dolce & Gabbana show but it was quite a hot mess... you could tell amateurs were walking considering how some of them were almost running on the runway and for some even to slip when they turned .. with flat shoes... I mean come on. There were some guys that have model potential though (like the 3rd guy to come out). Since I don't know a lot of male models, were there actual models walking that show?
VSfan88 24 Jun 2012 10:28:20
Dolce & Gabbana has very weird model cast for their campaigns recently as well... no more the regulars David, Adam and Noah in their men's campaign anymore but some unknown people with Bianca and Monica Belucci instead
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 10:38:10
or Bar Refaeli as an example would have been better since the 2010 show happened before Irina got her SI cover
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 10:36:41
Personally for me, VS seriously needs to go back to its roots. These past couple of years, they have messed up its image and the image of a VS model. Freakin' shorten the numbers of Angels dammit to the magical formular of 5 (or 6) Angels. There have been the discussion what if Angels become pregnant but seriously the average viewer just know Adriana, Miranda (or maybe the good ones even Ale) anyway. In case of 2010 when Doutzen and Miranda were absent. It would have attracted more viewers if they would have casted Irina Shayk alone than throwing Lindsay, Chanel, Lily and Erin at us who are together not even as known as Irina.
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 10:25:48
^why she must be there? VS could also do the opening with their oh-so-beloved-blonde-twins-cast only
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 10:19:14
big no to Jourdan... I don't think she fits VS. I prefer Gracie among all black models
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 10:08:20
I hope Arlenis will be gone after that... there's someting so dull about her as a model
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 00:14:14
it's the same with an Asian model... I also wished there will be finally an Asian angel but is there any Asian model out there right now that would fulfill all that is required as an angel? Unfortunately not... so the same thing applies to me for black models.
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 00:12:09
I think Toni, Barbara and Bregje are stunning... I also hope they will become angels. As for black models.. I don't want a black model to become an angel just because VS just needed a black model. I want a black model to become an angel because she's freaking stunning and has the total package. But seriously - right now I don't see one is having all that. The only "ok"-contender for me are Emanuela, Joan and Gracie. Lais used to be but she kinda became a sleeping pill for me. Emanuela is not strong in interviews I guess, Gracie I don't see her becoming any bigger as a model anymore and Joan has THE body but her face it too masculine.
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 00:04:51
the only ridiculous thing about "the rotation of black models" is to call it "rotation of black models". We all should know that there always have been girls that VS used for campaigns or promotions that never made it as angels and that are not black e.g. Toni, Barbara, Bregje to name some recent girls. I think it's always nice when they use some non-angels (especially in these days where the VS roster seriously irritates me)
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 00:01:24
*to feel bad
VSfan88 23 Jun 2012 00:01:06
@malloy: there's no need to feel back about these girls. I just think people need to stop thinking just because one girl was used heavily for catalog, it will automatically mean she's booked for the show.
VSfan88 22 Jun 2012 23:58:44
I was referring to ModelsFan's comment that she/he doesn't even want to get started about the fashion show when it comes to the cast
VSfan88 22 Jun 2012 23:55:12
what are you saying? VS fashion show probably has the most black girls on the runway than any other fashion show.
VSfan88 22 Jun 2012 09:00:02
SI girls bitching each other out ... even though - so many hot girls... it's impossible for all of them to get along
VSfan88 21 Jun 2012 03:18:20
the only model mentioned that "constantly changed" hair was Tyra only.
VSfan88 21 Jun 2012 03:16:53
Selita's short haircut was just ONE (drastic) change... way too exaggerated to call that "constantly changed". And I don't care if a model has the same hair if she looks the best at it and actually most of the girls mentioned changed thair hair color several times... it doesn't always need to be about the length.
VSfan88 19 Jun 2012 01:05:55
yeah, Ale's mid-section looks pretty smooth and nice. and YES, I do believe that overworking can wreck some bodies actually. Best examples: Doutzen and Adriana!
VSfan88 16 Jun 2012 00:23:41
guys, don't get too excited about what kind of music this year will be played because VS knows how to dissappoint us in that area more and more with each year that passes...
VSfan88 15 Jun 2012 13:55:06
I just watched the new Maroon 5-music video for their song "Payphone" and guess what: Bregje Heinen is in it
VSfan88 15 Jun 2012 13:54:15
The problem with girls like Karlie and Chanel (nowadays Adriana too) is that it really depends on their make-up. I mean, it depends on the make-up always but like the basic make-up VS always uses on the girls for the show doesn't really accentuate everyone's potential to look hot. I knew that they won't style Karlie so she would look hot. Chanel, I saw some make-up on her before I she did look hot. But it was quite a lot of that black eye-rouge... I don't know how to call it but that's usually something that VS doesn't use as make-up
VSfan88 14 Jun 2012 23:52:26
I hope this year's show will have something of its own. Last year's show was too similiar to the 2010 show. Therefore, please no PINK at the end, a REAL finale walk please and final outfits for every girl. I wonder if Karlie will make it this year . She was quite the flop last year.
VSfan88 14 Jun 2012 07:14:39
no, she couldn't walk the show because she was already booked for a photoshoot around the same time when the 2009-show happened (didn't know it was for NEXT though). I think, she could have walked the show if the shoot wasn't scheduled around the same time with the VS show. I don't think a NEXT-contract prevents a model to walk the VS show no matter what like it would be the case with a Ralph Lauren-contract. NEXT is neither an American company nor a lingerie company. I think VS let her down because Ed fell in love with Chanel around the same time. Yeah, that must be it. Emanuela is simply a jinx.
VSfan88 14 Jun 2012 02:14:18
^I don't really understand. Is Next a lingerie company or what? I just think VS became a little patriotic which is why they only have hired American models recently. Plus: The first promotion Emanuela did for VS, she was next to Lindsay, Marisa and Alessandra and she mainly let the other girls talk. So maybe VS thought they don't need another girl who needs to come outta her shell.
VSfan88 13 Jun 2012 11:38:46
yeah I still kinda believe in that 3 years-contract theory. Maybe it's rather approximately 3 years. There are so many Angels, Chanel and Lily A in particular, that proved to be unpopular with the fans since day one but still they are Angels after such a long time which makes me think that they are under the 3 years-contract, so VS can't even fire them. As for Rosie - maybe she breached her contract with VS for her acting career which would also explain why she doesn't show any connection to VS anymore (twitter etc.).
VSfan88 13 Jun 2012 11:32:34
^I think there's no exclusive contract for the perfum-line. As for Behati doing Seafolly swimwear is no problem since VS is mainly a lingerie company, not swimwear company.
VSfan88 13 Jun 2012 03:25:33
yeah I also think Miranda is going nowhere anytime soon. If the VS-theory still can be applied that an Angel-contract lasts for 3 years, then her exit year should be 2013. In case of Chanel, I hoped someone would have started to say her contract is over already, but didn't she do something with Behati for VS recently?
VSfan88 13 Jun 2012 03:21:13
@malloy: Because Arlenis looks freaking dead on the runway... just look at her face when she walked in the modern-segment.
VSfan88 7 Jun 2012 07:36:47
what was the VS fragrance name that Selita Ebanks was the face of? That was ca. early 2009 and her last ad for VS as an Angel.
VSfan88 5 Jun 2012 05:16:57
holy shit... Jessica Stam looks like freakin' Morticia from the Addam's family
VSfan88 3 Jun 2012 02:26:51
some random VS sketches of mine... next month I will post a whole segment. Which one you wanna see? My own version of "Angels Aquatic", "Once upon a time (baroque)" or "Once upon a time (elements of the Grimm brothers-tales)"?
VSfan88 2 Jun 2012 01:11:24
@selitafan: I will post some sketches next month when I'm back home in Germany
VSfan88 1 Jun 2012 01:47:23
"Once upon a time"... according to the sketch it looks like it was meant to have a medieval feel to it... I also came up with this idea for my own VS creations... But "Once upon a time" reminds me more of another idea I had which is a segment inspired by the tales of the Grimm brothers.
VSfan88 1 Jun 2012 01:33:06
and I thought Behati was still with James Strachan
That Adam Levine-guy moved on quite quickly... Anne V in this year's show? For some reason, I highly doubt it. I think she was only in the last two shows because of Maroon 5. Especially last year's show
VSfan88 31 May 2012 06:07:20
hmm... that Cara Delevingne-girl looks quite interesting. I never really took note of her, so I thought she's some actress. Looks like she has been a burberry-exclusive so far. If she's going to have a great runway season for SS13, maybe she'll get noticed by the VS people.
VSfan88 31 May 2012 06:04:09
well Selita was always a commercial model. It would be unfair to expect her to suddenly appear in vogue or for givenchy, chanel or whateva. In her commercial lane, she accomplished pretty much what a commercial model can achieve to be on top: a VS contract and an appearance in Sports Illustrated. Her career is pretty much like Marisa's and Heidi's. All three never started with little hf work like Adriana and Alessandra, were never hf stars like KK, Gisele and Doutzen, and missed out on the "VS model go hf"-trend that made Candice and Miranda recognized names in hf.
VSfan88 31 May 2012 05:53:33
I don't think the last two shows were "very teenage-centric", but very similiar. 2011 doesn't have much of its own because of the same setting and the very same finale.
VSfan88 27 May 2012 12:19:43
maybe someone was too confident about being already booked for the show??
VSfan88 25 May 2012 07:01:02
And last but not least, remember that even among the various agencies that a model is represented at, the height and measurements are listed differently.
VSfan88 25 May 2012 06:58:49
Just like in the pics JLovesB gave the links to, you can clearly see: Selita is 5'8 (173cm), Ale is 5'9 (175cm), Iza is 5'9.5 (177cm) and KK is 5'11-5'11.25 (180cm-181cm).
Whereas I don't understand the pics about Natasha. First of all Anna S is never 177cm like she's listed at, Anja slightly stands more in front of Natasha, so that makes people automatically look taller and bigger. It's all about the camera angle. Think about that first and when it's a pic outside of a fashion show, consider that the heels could be not of the same height, before wondering who is taller than who.
VSfan88 25 May 2012 04:33:47
well... selitafan I think you're just so upset about Anais because (for some reason) you think she "stole" your messiah's aka Selita Ebank's outfit. I think Anais looked kinda plain with those cookie cutter VSFS-long hair. I saw one interview with her about the black issue of Italian vogue and she looked stunning with her hair bound together.
well, I think Adriana is in the fourth month of pregnancy. I think she conceived her 2nd child just like her 1st on her wedding day. So, she'll probably give birth in November? Probably no Adriana for us in this year's show I guess
VSfan88 25 May 2012 04:23:03
I'm not very a fan of Erin, Lindsay, Chanel, Behati and Lily as angels but unlike the others (except Behati) I really don't mind seeing Erin on the show. I really liked her walk with the wings in 2009's PINK segment and also the way her alternate walk in the Aqua-segment was captured which didn't make it to the CBS-version.
VSfan88 24 May 2012 08:33:43
Agyness is like 5'8" but she's listed as 5'10" also a lot. 5'10" seems like the favorite fake height for any model. Oh yeah Anais Mali also looks very short compared to other models. Speaking of Anais: I wonder if VS will ever style the models' hair other than just wavy long hair. Some models, like Anais, look very good when their hair is bound together.
VSfan88 23 May 2012 00:45:21
On the contrary, I believe Candice is also 5'8 only. That's also the height that she was listed at in the beginning of her career
VSfan88 23 May 2012 00:43:54
Yeah KK, Ana BB, Julia, Hana, Karlie and Toni are all above 5'11". Tyra also seems to look taller than any other model she stands next to, yet her height is given as 5'10". And she also said it herself before. Emanuela de Paula is (supposedly?) 176cm
VSfan88 23 May 2012 00:41:07
Selita and Marisa are both 5'8. Selita, for some reason, is always listed as 5'9.5". Maybe Barbara who's 5'7.5" is listed taller than she actually is because at first her height was given as only 5'6". That's why I can't really see her on the VS runway even though I wouldn't mind that much
VSfan88 22 May 2012 11:12:34
@ModelsFan: Doesn't mean ANYTHING! There have been some girls doing VS prominently but still never made it to the show. Plus: Barbara never booked tons of shows (because she's only 5'7.5" and by the time when this year's show is gonna happen, it's a new season in fashion which means new faces and new girls turn 18.
VSfan88 19 May 2012 11:01:58
^they "changed" a lot of things because that outfit was by that time not even finished yet. A lot of the outfits are undone when it comes to prints and details on the fabric during the first fitting. And a lot of accessoires also don't make the cut. For example, 2008 show and the flamenco-segment in 2002.
VSfan88 17 May 2012 00:03:00
Because Lindsay doesn't fit the VS image of a sexy bombshell... no one says it has to be the "Brazilian" look (whatever that should mean because there's a great diversity of Brazilian models out there). The most important thing is to be sexy in a classy, womanly way and Lindsay doesn't look like a woman - more like a sweet girl. She might be a good spokesmodel but please then for a brand that reaches out to teen girls or the PINK-line if it has to be VS-related but not the VS mainline. Candice's way to talk might not hit anybody's taste and Doutzen tends to be a sleeping pill but both embody the image of a VS model clearly more than Lindsay does.
VSfan88 12 May 2012 09:30:05
well, pics sometimes need months to be published... maybe it's a newer pic of her?
VSfan88 11 May 2012 11:59:41
^well, clearly you can't expect glamorous girls á Christy, Linda, Naomi etc. on today's runway anymore. That era is simply over. High Fashion has moved on from the sexy, glamour image.
VSfan88 11 May 2012 01:40:49
that Angel-list is full of mistakes. Seeing such lists... they are all based on wikipedia anyway. But at least they got no.1 right. Heidi is truly THE Victoria's Secret Angel. She wore the fb most times, she hosted the show, she designed collections for VS, back then when the Angels all stood in the middle after the finale walk, she was always placed in the middle.
VSfan88 11 May 2012 01:35:58
yeah, very unfortunate that Lindsay is getting so much work but hey then again Marisa even got the fb and her first pair of wings and after that she was out the game... so hope remains
VSfan88 10 May 2012 01:42:17
I personally don't care for the MET gala because it's all about who wears what but nice to see Rosie and Candice together. They kinda like have a history together since it seemed like both were the next Angels to come, back in 2009. I'm wondering if thise VS girls go HF-Trend is slowly coming to an end. All VS girls didn't do that well in hf last season
VSfan88 7 May 2012 10:54:21
Heidi in 1992:
VSfan88 7 May 2012 10:52:13
gotta be KIDDING right? That looks so photoshopped! I guess someone needs to buy glasses
VSfan88 6 May 2012 12:29:18
I would go for Toni simply because I've been following her career since the very get-go - even before she became known with Calvin Klein but Barbara is also a nice addition. I would go for choosing both girls and letting certain lackluster-Angels go (names are not necessarily, I guess)
VSfan88 6 May 2012 02:46:30
the "raw"-pictures r actually quite good. The girls' armpits look horrible though
VSfan88 6 May 2012 02:45:13
yeah, I wonder if Chanel is indeed out of the game. How did it actually start when people said Rosie and Marisa are no angels anymore? There were no official statements about it like in Gisele's or Heidi's case. It just somehow started and eventually turned out to be true. It was about being absent from the last x-mas commercial, lack of promotional work, right? When was the last time Chanel did some promotion? I mean she was not in last year's x-mas commercial (I know, neither Miranda was but she did VS promotion recently with Candice for VS Swim).
VSfan88 2 May 2012 23:52:46
Based on this commercial, it's better for Lais not to become an Angel. She would make all the Angels next to her look fat. Even bony Lindsay looks curvy standing next to her which is very disturbing.
VSfan88 2 May 2012 23:51:44
All three girls look good in their single shots but together?? Especially putting Doutzen and Lais next to each other... EPIC FAIL! Casting them together - EPIC FAIL!
VSfan88 2 May 2012 04:27:36
Poor Jeisa being forced by her mom to do modeling which explains why she looks so sad in a lot of pictures?? Kidding, right? Besides the fact that hf models don't usually do happy faces for the camera anyway, I don't think Jeisa looks sad a lot in pictures
VSfan88 2 May 2012 04:21:31
^that's not very surprising. Toni and Miranda also started modeling when they just turned 14. Anja Rubik was also 14 when she walked her first fashion show for Akira Isogawa in Paris.
VSfan88 30 Apr 2012 08:59:00
Fernanda might have better jobs in hf than Adriana but in the end it's Adriana who "wins" since her career is still on the peak whereas Fernanda is no where to be seen anymore. Last thing I saw from Fernanda was during my trip in Singapore back in January where her Mark & Spencer-campaign pictures graced the walls of the shop.
VSfan88 28 Apr 2012 06:45:43
I think Caroline Winberg and Jeisa don't go to any castings at all. They definitely already reached their career peaks and now they do stuff that are more or less known, with Winberg being lucky enough to be picked for the VS show year after year.
VSfan88 27 Apr 2012 03:21:30
I hope they give Doutzen better outfits this year. Just watched the training video of her in the DVD-version of the 2011 show and she's actually super-petit. From the side, she's skinnier than any other model! But of course VS always find ways how to make her look so broad. That ballet-outfits last year didn't do her any justice. Totally wrong for her
VSfan88 27 Apr 2012 03:19:49
yeah, I also think there is the possibility indeed for Adriana to make it to this year's show. The outfits of the show have become less revealing and there are a lots of corsets or corset-like to cover up the stomach area. I have the feeling Ale might not get the fb this year. They do the shoots for the fb in June (isn't it) and she'll be due in May... not enough time to get in shape, I guess... but then seeing that photo of her up there... every body part is still so skinny only with a baby belly. We'll see...
VSfan88 25 Apr 2012 05:06:47
I like Natalia's point of view. And it's true - better skinny than fat. On another note, I find it weird when the Angels always claim how much extra-exercise they do prior to the VS show... aren't they skinny all year through already?
VSfan88 25 Apr 2012 05:03:17
@Alexis: No, Rosie's days as an Angel has been rumored to be over for almost a year. The vsallaccess-site is just very slow when it comes to taking down some pictures of former Angels.
VSfan88 22 Apr 2012 02:00:19
@Alessafan: Oh yeah, her father was British. For some reason I thought she grew up in Britain.
@Nathan: That means in 2005, the VS show was a spectacular show and didn't have to try so hard. That changed when they started to tell the girls to act like maniacs on the runway with Noemie's pic being a great representation of that.
VSfan88 21 Apr 2012 00:30:58
@whereisthewine: why shouldn't Rosie and Lara be friends? Both models are from Britain. Because of that only, models already feel more connected to each other.
@malloy: Never heard that Doutzen is considered to be stuck up. She seems more shy and thoughtful
VSfan88 19 Apr 2012 10:40:31
taff (something like the German E! entertainment) even has a clip about Toni becoming the new VS angel ... well, those who can access vimeo and understand German. Enjoy... I can't watch it because vimeo is blocked in China http://vimeo.com/32173478
VSfan88 18 Apr 2012 01:09:16
Just did research and there are SOOO many German websites (even the "serious ones" declaring Toni the new Angel ... well at least Toni gets more publicity in Germany
VSfan88 18 Apr 2012 00:30:48
By the way, I find it so stupid that modelinia even wrote a whole article about Toni becoming an Angel when their source (the tweet "about it" was already deleted.
VSfan88 18 Apr 2012 00:29:11
Nowadays the word "Angel" is used to loosely. People REALLY need to start using their brains because it does take a second thought to recognize a true Angel. I doubted that Toni was really the new Angel because the tweet was mainly about the event, not about her becoming an Angel. I don't think VS would contract a new Angel and then announce it like a side-info.
VSfan88 18 Apr 2012 00:07:21
@whereisthewine: haha, yeah the diversity is almost disturbing
VSfan88 17 Apr 2012 08:38:08
well, not everyone is photogenic and let's don't pretend Karlie is the hottest girl on earth
VSfan88 16 Apr 2012 01:18:12
I don't think it's crazy considering how well Toni fits VS. And of course they wouldn't be so much hype around the previous new faces. C'mon, who would do so much buzz for girls like Lindsay, Chanel or Karlie who don't even fit the brand.
VSfan88 15 Apr 2012 01:46:54
At least, 2009 had remixes! Except for Leona's "Happy", I liked all the remixes
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 11:35:00
@selitafan: what do you mean??
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 11:33:26
my theory is... getting an Angel profile on the VS facebook-page (like I mentioned above) and being listed in forbes annual list of who are the richest supermodels. In the last list only Adriana, Ale and Candice (MIranda and Doutzen would have also been on it if they weren't pregnant by that time) appear out of the 10 alleged Angels. That's why I think the real Angels are only those five girls. Erin, Behati and the other 3 missing links are just there for ... seriously, I have no idea
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 11:28:28
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 11:28:07
@selita: Tyra and Gisele didn't get wings in the 2003 show. Neither Selita, Marisa and Miranda did in 2007 (Marisa also not in 200.
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 11:25:56
@Frank: there have been models like Katsia, Lais, Elyse and now Toni that have done things on your theory-list and yet they ain't angels. VS has always given some models a taste of Angel-treatment without them being Angels. In the past it would be Ana BB, Angela or Oluchi or in the very beginning Frederique van der Wal, Chandra North or Jill Goodacre.
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 11:22:41
No, proof of Angel status is when a model gets an Angel profile on the official VS facebook-page.
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 01:36:49
Their source is from the VS twitter but I thought that tweet has been removed from VS
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 01:32:57
YIPPI YEAH with a smiley
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 01:00:01
Someone follows Todd on twitter? Can somebody reach out to him and ask about the angel line-up and critize their stupid PR-attempts. It's no way safe anymore to call someone an Angel. When Emanuela was getting all the hype, we all thought she would be an angel. Turned out to be wrong. Still waiting for how the hype about Lais and Toni will turn out
VSfan88 13 Apr 2012 00:57:34
I HATE all this confusing "who's an Angel. Who's not"-debate. Till this day I doubt that Behati, Chanel, Lindsay, Erin and Lily A are REAL Angels in terms of having a million-dollar contracts. Besides the fact that I think it's utterly disturbing that VS would really spend millions on Lindsay, Chanel and LILY A (HELLOOOO??), I think it's also weird that Behati would get millions by only promoting PINK (I know she does the main line now... but only now but she's supposedly an angel since 2009!).
VSfan88 12 Apr 2012 09:55:38
I think it really doesn't matter how long you have worked for VS. Once you're an Angel, you have the chance to wear the fb. Izabel is a nice looking model but her aura is not big enough to rock a fb imo. Same goes with all the new Angels except for Candice.
VSfan88 11 Apr 2012 23:49:51
VSfan88 11 Apr 2012 23:49:40
I don't really agree with it. I mean, I kinda understand why VS suddenly hired so many girls. It seems like their contract is not as strict as it used to be, so the Angels feel more free to produce some little Angels themselves, so it seems like it's normal that every show will lack 1-2 Angels from now on. So if they would stick with their 5 Angels-formular, every show will basically feature 3-4 Angels. So with 10 Angels, every show will feature 8 Angels. But 10 Angels is imo still too much. 8 Angels will be ok. But still if they are going to hire so many girls, at least some that are appropiate. What were they thinking when they hires LILY A?? CHANEL????? LINDSAY????
VSfan88 11 Apr 2012 01:05:50
yeah, Karlie was quite a flop in last year's show. She acted all over the place but not in a "VS"-way but in a "Making fun of VS"-way
VSfan88 11 Apr 2012 00:33:22
Thank you T.G.! I thought there won't be a 2011 DVD! Thx so much but next time can there be a DVD under 4.5GB please?
VSfan88 10 Apr 2012 00:06:11
I mean unlike in Karlie's case
VSfan88 10 Apr 2012 00:05:45
AAAAAAAH! One of my VS dreams became true! Toni becoming a spokesmodel for VS?? I was hoping so much she would walk the show and now she did and even the launching in addition - hopefully she'll become an angel! I think unlike Karlie, everyone would love to see that!
VSfan88 8 Apr 2012 14:03:47
i just watched the 2012 beach bunny show and i really don't know if they tell the girls to walk like that but I highly doubt a fashion designer would tell models to walk like absolute beginners... and Kate Upton even outdid her bad walk http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzAwNDM5NDAw.html
VSfan88 8 Apr 2012 08:12:03
I will never understand how on earth it can be SO difficult to walk in high heels properly. Not every runway is slippery
VSfan88 8 Apr 2012 00:15:49
As I recall, Sophie didn't call out Kate primarily because of her walk but because of her looks
VSfan88 8 Apr 2012 00:14:35
It wouId be so ironic, if VS would cast Arizona for their show this year.
VSfan88 5 Apr 2012 05:25:18
hmmm.. idk.. I think her look doesn't fit VS that well. I'm also wondering where she is. The last thing I heard from her is when she was announced as being the narrator in the beginning of the music video "We found love" (Rihanna)
VSfan88 5 Apr 2012 03:37:39
who's sge?
VSfan88 5 Apr 2012 03:21:41
some models faked their names: Agyness Deyn's name is actually Laura Hollins and Joan Small's actual name is Joan Rodriguez. Both not very glamorous names, ain't it?
VSfan88 4 Apr 2012 10:22:48
Arizona Muse? Well, she's so famous because of her name. In the media industry it's always an advantage to have a special name. I highly doubt Arizona would have been that successful if her name was Sara Meyers.
VSfan88 3 Apr 2012 08:15:44
Shanina, Ieva and Cameron being interviewed by Monica Mitro at the what-it-supposed-to-be (I guess) "Monica Mitro show" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je3h453wsd8&feature=relmfu
VSfan88 2 Apr 2012 05:42:13
but what if there was the MANties line? Who would you like seeing modelling it? Younger ones like Francisco Lachowski or the more mature ones like David Gandy?
VSfan88 2 Apr 2012 05:40:03
VS has already envolve into this "for man"-fashion show. It would be weird seeing male models working for VS ... just like for SI Swim
VSfan88 1 Apr 2012 10:30:23
There is Kate Upton and Kate Middleton. Where is Kate Downton? haha I thought it was funny
VSfan88 1 Apr 2012 00:27:03
well done! That boxing outfit looks exactly like the original!
VSfan88 31 Mar 2012 11:07:38
now looking at the pics featuring Miranda and Candice, I'm pretty sure Candice is only 5'8. She was listed as 5'8 in the beginning of her career but back then she was 15, so can you stop growing at 15? Or maybe her agencies fake her height from the get go.
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 10:14:58
*Behati showing her butt!
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 10:14:43
also you can compare the 2010 show - some cheers were fake and some are real. Like there was someone screaming like a murderer-victim for Chanel during her 3 walks.
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 10:13:27
I guess to make the hype around the show higher?? idk... i can remember when Behati was showing her but in the 2008 show to the audience and the cheers came but when I saw the unedited version there were barely cheers.
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 10:11:53
I don't want all the angels to appear in the first segment, thus making the second segment "not important". I don't mind seeing all the angels in the last segment though, but that has to mean: PLEASE NO MORE PINK AS THE LAST SEGMENT! and no more Winberg and Julia S. too! Even though I don't mind Julia because there are always some outfits that fit tall girls like her the most.
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 10:08:52
@selita fan: err... you are aware of the fact that most of the cheers are fake and were edited to the footage, right?
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 10:07:52
yeah I also think it was KK's decision not to renew her contract and I mean, she had a nice comeback in hf which would have been if she signed another 3-years contract.
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 00:33:28
I think it's obvious that KK's contract ended with her hypothyroidism. Now KK went back to her skinny figure but when she had the disease no one knew if that could happen. The risk to sign a girl for another 3 years who could not guarantee to stay in model-shape was too high. I found it amusing and stupid how some people talk about loyalty and stuff when it comes to casting former angels. Some people found it rude that Selita had to go to castings last year and then was not picked. Hello? In the end of the day, the angels and VS are business partners. If she's not contracted, then there's never a guarantee for any model to walk the show. It's has been already a loyal move to even ask her back for the castings.
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 00:20:15
I find it's funny how Selita went to the casting for the 2003-show and didn't make it and then suddenly not only made it to the 2005-show but also became an angel.
And THANK GOD that Julia and Caroline never became angels. They have been working with VS for too long
I wonder though why Oluchi never made it. She was as much used as Ana BB but we all know Ana was offered one contract but rejected it. The only reason I could think of is Oluchi's weird voice.
Angela was never an angel but she surely was desperate to look like one (trying to line-up with the angels in 2005 and 2006, covering even Iza's face at some point)
VSfan88 30 Mar 2012 00:15:53
@Felipe: well, your question was already answered but you should here it one more time from the person who found it out first: It's called "Finding beauty" tadaaa
VSfan88 29 Mar 2012 00:23:06
I'll go with Lais for next angel. She was in the intro last show... shouldn't that mean at least something????? Chanel, Lily, Erin and Lindsay are waaaay to long in the angel-game already. Don't tell me they indeed signed a 3-years-contract I love Behati but isn't her contract up for negotiations with this year when it's true that she became an angel in 2009? Maybe shel'll be replaced by that "new angel"
VSfan88 27 Mar 2012 04:31:29
2008's Glamour goddess-soundtrack: http://www.4shared.com/music/XifU0085/file.html
2009's enchanted forest-soundtrack: http://www.4shared.com/music/hqPE0845/file.html
VSfan88 27 Mar 2012 02:16:59
Behati for me has transformed into this interesting girl again. I remember seeing her the first time and then finding out her utterly interesting name and she reminds of a sexy-version of Janice Choplin
VSfan88 25 Mar 2012 02:58:12
That's a nice cast for the commercial. And it reminded me of Behati the first time I saw her in the 2007 show.
VSfan88 23 Mar 2012 01:43:09
@malloy: just because they never did a fb on a push up before, doesn't mean they can't forever. And as I said: Don't make it sound like that Ale has a chest like Chanel anyway. imo I always thought of Ale as someone who's not appropiate to wear the fb. Idk how to describe it but in order to wear the fb you must have that certain powerful look or appearance to back something so big up and it doesn't necessarily has to do with the cup size. More of the charisma and I think Ale lacks that. But, however, I thought that about Miranda too (and that she's not appropiate to wear wings like Marisa) but Miranda pulled off last year's fb quite well.
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:59:03
If I don't see this girl in the VS show this year, I'll be crushed http://models.com/work/vogue-paris-chic-boxing
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:57:44
I think Miranda looked her best in the 2009 show. That black outfit with the little feathers coming out from the sites of that neck-piece..
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:56:52
I agree that Heidi looked good in 2007... for the last time. In 2008 she looked very wrinkly
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:55:04
I'm a little bit torn about Adriana. I think it was with the 2007 show where she started to look bad for me for the first time. 2008 she looked AMAZING! She went back to the 2003-Adriana (her physically best year I think). Then she became pregnant and ever since she can look beeeautiful (e.g. At good day show promoting the show stopper bra, at Givenchy show FW2011) or not so good (2010-2011 VSFS, at promotions with other angels, VS catalog pics).
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:42:30
@dflc.Vs: Thx so much! I was looking for that vid for sooo long
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:41:20
oh my beloved Adriana - why you always have to get pregnant by the time where it's impossible for you to walk the show? Couldn't you follow Ale's example? Your time is running out! I know Heidi was an angel until 37 but don't we all agree it should have happened earlier? So I also don't wanna see Adriana until she's 37. Maybe until 32? Her last show being next year?
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:36:52
@malloy: never heard of the power of a push up-bra before? It doesn't matter what cup size Ale is. When they use a push up-bra for the fb then Ale can get it without any problems and it's not like Ale has a chest like Chanel, ain't it?
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:34:46
Now that Erin is dating Leo, (unfortunately) she will most definitely stick with VS for awhile
VSfan88 22 Mar 2012 07:33:07
@CL: What are you talkin about? Naomi was invited to the Tyra Banks show some weeks BEFORE the VSFS 2005 took place. Get your info right before you write things like "Tyra brought Naomi on her show (years later)... " ... YEARS LATER? Are you kidding?
VSfan88 21 Mar 2012 01:49:54
I hope the fb will go to Ale. It's damn about time. I doubt that she renewed her contract to 5 years though. Ale 4 fb and idk why but I really wanna see Doutzen opening this year
VSfan88 21 Mar 2012 01:49:02
I doubt Adriana will walk. Of course I'll hope so, but she really doesn't have a model body that pops back as fast as it did in case of Gisele or KK (who even got skinnier than before ). How long did it take her in her first pregnancy? She still looked "unfinished" after several months.
VSfan88 21 Mar 2012 01:47:21
^Ale will have some cleavage with her pregnancy this year? So why wouldn't she appropiate for the fb?
VSfan88 18 Mar 2012 00:22:56
what does "even Bar Refaeli" s'ppose to mean? She and Gisele are the most known for dating Leo unlike Anna J and especially Carmen (Really??)
VSfan88 17 Mar 2012 07:17:02
In the vid, it did look like Kate and Izabel were bitchfighting but I didn't understand anything.
VSfan88 16 Mar 2012 12:37:39
I noticed that Anja doesn't have much fans in this forum either. Why? I found her utterly interesting after watching some interviews of her on youtube. She's quite bourgeois but in a somehow likeable way (if it's even possible)
VSfan88 16 Mar 2012 12:32:45
I'm not a fan of the cover either. I found her recent cover for Numéro (was it?) much better, even though she was panned "pig nose".
VSfan88 15 Mar 2012 12:59:01
btw here's the link: http://news.bgfashion.net/article/1317/13/ana_beatriz_barros.php
VSfan88 15 Mar 2012 12:58:17
no, she said in an interview that she was offered an Angel contract and a L'oréal contract at the same time and she ultimately went for the latter one since she thought it would fit her career better.
VSfan88 15 Mar 2012 12:56:59
hmm... who should open this year? There are five real angels for now: Miranda - rather see her coming out 2nd or 3rd, Candice - just meh and I won't think they'll let her open twice in a row, Ale - same as Miranda, Adri - she'll be gone very soon; just give her her last opening, Doutzen - kinda the best contender but I wonder is her contract already renewed? I somehow don't even get excited when I'm thinking about it. idk maybe it's because it still takes awhile for this year's show but I'm losing my interest in VS.
VSfan88 15 Mar 2012 12:50:53
I'm not so sure about Ana BB for VSFS anymore. Without a doubt she was freaking beautiful in the 2005 show. Speaking of 2005 - why everyone is mocking Heidi for her 2005-show body? That was the year when she gave birth to her son just 2 months prior to the show. And I'm not even considering to think of Ale who was in the same situation in 2008 because her body type is obviously more naturally skinny than Heidi's
VSfan88 15 Mar 2012 12:47:57
I guess I'm one of those that think Karlie has a nice walk but please no more VSFS for her. She acted too weird. We all know the models are told to walk like they have fun on the runway but Karlie looked like she almost tried to make fun of that advice.
VSfan88 14 Mar 2012 01:39:19
well, I don't think that only Doutzen and Bianca were contenders for all those campaigns. What a stupid reason to hate Doutzen, if the rumors are true. There must have been hundred other models trying out also. So all those other models must hate Doutzen, too?
VSfan88 14 Mar 2012 01:37:05
idk why everyone is jumping up and down for that L'oréal commercial. I don't think it was that cool. It's a copy-version of the "Diesel: fuel for life"-commercial with Elise Sednaoui, Raquel Nave and Eléonore Woodward.
VSfan88 6 Mar 2012 07:28:19
VSfan88 6 Mar 2012 07:28:02
@Frank: What are you talking about? Last season, Fatima Siad from ANTM cycle 10 walked Dries van Noten, Hermès and booked the Hervé Leger-campaign. The article also missed to mention Vanessa Hegelmaier from the GNTM who walked show for Missoni, Moschino, Alberta Ferretti and Dolce & Gabbana.
VSfan88 5 Mar 2012 06:59:46
oh man, there you can read it was a wig and then several comments lower someone asked shockingly "is it truth the hair cut of Candice in that photo? " ....
VSfan88 3 Mar 2012 04:14:17
@whereisthewine, yeah Doutzen is of course not as muscular as she was around 08-09 but her mid-section is still quite bulky. But I gotta agree that VS doesn't make their girls look their bests anymore. I think Adriana looked bad for the past two fashion shows and there you can see at Givenchy or when she promoted the show stopper bra how good Adriana still can look
VSfan88 1 Mar 2012 23:54:14
in Doutzen's pics for this year's Valentine's day campaign, she looked a lil too muscular again. I just wanna see Doutzen with her high fashion body again. And it's not like she can't go back to that over the years. It's really her working out too much
VSfan88 1 Mar 2012 04:35:33
can't wait to see Dior - it has nice soundtracks since SS 2011
VSfan88 29 Feb 2012 03:11:08
oh God, please don't tell me Adriana is pregnant again. Her first pregnancy already messed up her body. She will destroy it after a second one.
She always looked a little bit bigger next to all these new skinny angels. Best example, when she promoted VS in that blue number with Chanel, Lily A, Candice and Erin
VSfan88 28 Feb 2012 22:43:59
A queen, princess and stepsister? All I see is a clueless spokesperson, Doutzen-Hulk 2 and someone who most definitely needs some higher heels
VSfan88 27 Feb 2012 22:53:54
Can't wait for the day when Lindsay, Chanel and Lily A are finally out... but the fear that they will be replaced by yet other mediocre girls still remains
VSfan88 22 Feb 2012 09:38:36
PS: So, if Anne is listed 5'10" and Adam is 5'11", why you assume right away Adam's height is right and Anne V's must be wrong? Actually, heights of celebrities must be even more inaccurate because height plays for their jobs by far not as an important role as for models. A lot of listed heights of celebrities are assumptions by some people that have met them and compared their heights with them. But I also don't think Anne V is 5'10 in this case
VSfan88 22 Feb 2012 09:32:52
Just to set the record straight, I'm not saying all the listed heights are all accurate. Of course, I do think some models aren't as tall as they are listed like Coco Rocha or Jessica Stam (both 5'10'? I don't think so) but I don't think the majority of models are around the height of Barbara Palvin who's 5'7.5". That's indeed too short and I think also a reason why she might get some runway jobs but not a lot.
VSfan88 22 Feb 2012 09:30:08
Guess what, high-heels also have different heights! Just because two women wear heels, it doesn't mean the heels also have the same inches. Talking about angles, photos can be very deceiving as well.
VSfan88 22 Feb 2012 06:32:31
I wouldn't say that most models are indeed 5'8. Some of them, maybe, but not the vast majority.
VSfan88 21 Feb 2012 22:46:14
it's kinda surprising to me that Barbara with her 5'7.1" frame can get booked for shows in the days where a lot of girls are even taller than 5'11" such as Karlie, Toni, Frida, Jac etc.
VSfan88 20 Feb 2012 07:39:19
I can't believe that some of you really think that the woman in the bikini is Behati, just because it says Behati next to the picture. NO WAY it can be Behati. It doesn't even look like Behati - face and, most importantly, body-wise
VSfan88 15 Feb 2012 01:19:36
I also can't imagine Kate on the VS runway because her boobs are bouncing really obvious when she's walking the runway and having a lingerie show itself is already for most people vulgar so having a girl with those boobs in the show would be too much but Sophia's statement makes her really a bitch. I hate people when they made it somewhere and then they get arrogant. That's when they not only lost their respect for other people but also from themselves.
VSfan88 10 Feb 2012 10:25:36
@dflc.VS: That's so true. All the other girls look really spectacular without make-up (I mean... just Bregje alone!) and then there comes Chanel
VSfan88 10 Feb 2012 10:20:59
^ that walk was done most definitely after at least two glasses of wine
VSfan88 9 Feb 2012 08:57:07
No, I think KK is always nice to listen to in interviews. I really don't know why I always think Doutzen looks so forced as soon as she tries to crack a joke. Maybe it was her documentary, where she was kinda serious all the time that made that impression that I have from her but I don't think that can't be it.
VSfan88 8 Feb 2012 22:38:28
@Whereisthewine: Yeah, there's something about Lindsay that is quite forgettable but when it comes to giving lame interviews, Doutzen beats her with flying colors
VSfan88 8 Feb 2012 22:30:45
This first kiss-thing was already done in 2006 and it's kinda weird to see all the girls were replaced with new Angels except for Adriana (of course, Ale was not included ) and it kinda, even though I love Adriana and Ale, feels like it's time for them to leave VS
VSfan88 8 Feb 2012 09:25:05
I don't think she's selfish though. The price was walking the VSFS only. If VS would have decided to work with her (which they did), then it was sort of an extra. Funny enough, that she talked about VS like she worked for them like she was a contracted Angel but I can't recall more than a photo shoot with Russell James that she had shortly after the show. And that were 2 years?? Highly doubtful
VSfan88 8 Feb 2012 09:20:08
^There are these types of Christians, that are just stupid. If it really clashes with her Christian beliefs, she wouldn't have done VS in the first place
VSfan88 8 Feb 2012 03:16:10
well, if you could believe Sessilee's mom, Chanel was trying to sabotage her career. And where are those rumors about Doutzen and Bianca and Elyse and Miranda having feuds coming from?
VSfan88 7 Feb 2012 20:59:23
^If so, that would be very fussy of Miranda.
VSfan88 7 Feb 2012 03:01:27
@whereisthewine: I also wonder myself about that. They say about so many models that they were discovered with 13-14 years old but what kind of model jobs did they do in that age?
VSfan88 6 Feb 2012 08:35:11
@TG: Is there going to be a dvd of the 2011 show?
VSfan88 1 Feb 2012 09:00:41
yeah it's usually the "fresh meat" that ranks at the top, so I'm not really surprised to see Adriana so low.
@whereisthewine: Why a -face behind Anais Mali? A -face behind Chanel Iman's name is more appropiate
VSfan88 29 Jan 2012 23:01:31
@Nathan: yeah, you can call her a bimbo. I just checked it up and in English it's ok. In German it means ni**er - so I thought you meant that
VSfan88 29 Jan 2012 01:32:41
well, the collection is more provocative unlike VS. No need to call someone bimbo for real
VSfan88 28 Jan 2012 21:25:44
^yeah, there's one big hater on tfs and that user wrote that Anja allegedly said that, so I wouldn't believe the words of a hater at all
VSfan88 25 Jan 2012 22:08:18
and they hired Shanina and Toni - two of my favorite newcomers from last year's show
VSfan88 25 Jan 2012 21:47:50
WOW! It was damn about time. Fatima's look is 110% model. I was always wondering why she never made it big like some other Top Model-contestants like Vanessa Hegelmaier, Alice Burdeau or Patricia van der Vliet but finally the time has come
VSfan88 25 Jan 2012 05:43:40
exactly, I think none of the angels have such great curvy body like Barbara. Either the angels are just stick skinny (Chanel, Lindsay, etc.) or they are too toned (Adriana, Doutzen). Actually Behati has a curvy body but it looks lil untoned. Barbara's body in comparison to all bodies seems exactly perfect
VSfan88 21 Jan 2012 22:21:51
oh wow... Heidi and Seal really seemed to me like a couple that would last forever. It's weird - another marriage coming to an end in the seven-year itch
VSfan88 21 Jan 2012 05:25:35
Miranda at Conan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKbi38-3BuI&feature=related
Weirdly, they say that Miranda's "Star trooper"-outfit also consists of wings and she said they were meant to be little wings
VSfan88 21 Jan 2012 02:12:20
wow Toni back for CK. I'm happy she's scoring big campaigns again. She had a little downfall after she skipped one runway season to finish her final exams but now she already got Givenchy beauty, Max Mara and CK Jeans (although her pics aren't that good) for the SS2012-season. Expect more!
VSfan88 20 Jan 2012 06:00:53
I like the song of the commercial even though it would have been better off with 2010's commerical with that circus-theme.
VSfan88 19 Jan 2012 21:21:15
^but when I listened to the interview I also didn't think Lily was not saying she never knew about the show, but more because of the fact that I think every model must know the show. So I can't picture someone like Lily, who has worked for VS prior to walking the show, was never aware of the show.
VSfan88 19 Jan 2012 21:14:06
@Alexis: It really doesn't matter where I'm from - I can say that I have a pretty good understanding of the English language. When you wrote to evang18: "What are you saying (and so on)" I thought: "Here we go again - yet another person who doesn't understand English", but then I watched the interview and the way Lily talked it can be understood like she was never aware of the show. She said: "I've done a lot of shows on the runway and this one is just a whole nother thing. like last time it was my first time and it was kinda incredible to find this pl...I didn't even know this existed". the whole "You can be a woman on the VS runway" could have really be seen as a separate part of her replying to the question.
VSfan88 18 Jan 2012 23:03:34
yeah, but Emanuela was reportedly suppose to walk the 2009 show but she was not free for the show
@Alexis: actually the way Lily talked you could really understand it as like she really never knew the show existed before.
Having ties with the VS people, I think, is the best way to get booked for the show. That is how Andi Muise, Clara Alonso and Dorothea Barth Jörgensen got into the show because they are/were John Pfeiffer's girls and the first two didn't even have great seasons prior to the VS show.
VSfan88 18 Jan 2012 08:30:40
Edita said in an interview she used to think she's unattractive? Proof please. Also someone said before that Toni Garrn said in an interview that she doesn't even know something like an Angel-contract exists. Also proof for that please
VSfan88 17 Jan 2012 23:37:35
Some Doutzen in her high fashion days. I still like her physique that way the best and also her face.
VSfan88 17 Jan 2012 22:57:44
as I was watching several interviews of models yesterday, I gotta say that Edita actually doesn't have much to say. I can sense she has a cute personality but it's just her English which is still too limited in order to really express herself. Watching someone like Anja being interviewed was far more interesting.
VSfan88 17 Jan 2012 22:55:29
^wow Barbara is super hot...
VSfan88 17 Jan 2012 05:15:29
^do you mean the whistling part? That's taken from the song "Pumped up kicks" by foster people. btw I hate that scene when they say "Lily loooves music" - come on, I mean - WHO DOESN'T?? '
VSfan88 14 Jan 2012 08:45:42
^yeah, back then they put so much detail into something that actually no one would even really notice.
VSfan88 13 Jan 2012 10:19:34
but come on - Izabel is now quite high in demand in high fashion and KK was always involved in high fashion as Anna Wintour's darling
VSfan88 13 Jan 2012 10:03:13
Emanuela was indeed perfect - no one will ever really know why she was promoted like she was about to become the next Angel and then fall very low after she didn't walk the 2009-show. So since Emanuela is not in the Angel-radar for the VS people anymore, there's only Lais left who has like the commercially most appealing face I would say. But this is something I also said before: guys, watch the 2011-show and then her face right when she hit the end of the runway - her face is bland like what-not
VSfan88 13 Jan 2012 09:59:32
Personally, I almost feel kinda bad for Selita because she must be the only Angel who VS couldn't put on the map. All the other Angels became sought-after faces in high fashion or became big on TV like Heidi or even Marisa if you will. Selita wasn't really going somewhere and I already said that before now I notice.
VSfan88 13 Jan 2012 01:52:13
Personally, i think Lais is alright. There are actually not that much black models that would fit VS better besides Joan. Emanuela and Gracie I would also count in, but I would prefer Lais to Aminata, Chanel, Sessilee, Jourdan, Nyasha, Ataui, Ajak, Arlenis, Anais or Rose Codero.
VSfan88 12 Jan 2012 10:02:25
yeah, Miranda's belly button looks a lil bit weird but I think Doutzen looks pretty fine. She has a very interesting body structure. From the front she looks kinda broad but from the site she looks always very skinny.
VSfan88 11 Jan 2012 22:14:18
@Frank: you can use tinypic.com to upload pictures on this site
@Eugenifan: no, Edita is not an angel... I know, for the VS swim promotion, they mentioned her name at a stride alongside Lily, Candice, etc. who are indeed angels, but nowdays every girl is called angel as soon as she models for VS. Just like every model who gets some fame is called a supermodel.
VSfan88 11 Jan 2012 22:11:06
exactly! The outfit Cameron wore, made her look like she didn't have a neck. Besides that I don't think she looks like a model - more like an actress or something.
VSfan88 10 Jan 2012 21:48:51
oh man, my fav Edita as an angel - that would be beyond awesome ... I think, she would be one of those few girls that no one would critize if she'd become an angel, ain't it?
VSfan88 10 Jan 2012 05:29:09
@Frank: you couldn't recognize Michaela in the first picture because that's not even her xD - that's Natalia Vodianova
VSfan88 9 Jan 2012 08:17:22
I liked Michaela somehow in the 2007 show but seriously - curvy?? That girl is super skinny on the waist. She just has very wide hip bones. Just like Anja - she must be skinnier than Chanel Iman but because of her wide hip bones, she seems not
VSfan88 8 Jan 2012 21:19:54
^I think all those people were clapping because that's the infamous segment where the peta-people were claiming the stage. It must have been the second time they record it and maybe the audience was applausing to cheer up the models
VSfan88 8 Jan 2012 10:30:11
@KKfan: no, Victoria's Secret is an American brand and prude America doesn't work like that.
VSfan88 8 Jan 2012 06:34:28
@Frank: yes, wikipedia is very strict now if it comes to who is an angel. If the source is not really related to the VS brand itself, then edits would be immediately reverted. But wikipedia doesn't list Edita and Shanina as angels. I think, it's superweird if it's true that VS was trying to get Catherine McNeil as an angel. I mean, VS is a commercial brand. Wouldn't it be too shocking to have a lesbian angel? personally i don't like cat... nothing against lesbians
VSfan88 6 Jan 2012 01:55:34
yeah, Lily A might be pregnant but that bitch got pregnant in time so she has the possibility to come back on the runway this year
VSfan88 6 Jan 2012 01:53:25
And besides that, Shanina must be one of the sexiest girls you could ever ask for to become an Angel. So gradually I think VS could throw in any model into the Angel-game and all of y'all still would complain about it
VSfan88 6 Jan 2012 01:52:17
oh come one guys... how many girls have been named "official angels" in some random articles before? Candice and Sabrina Jales were allegedly picked up as angels in late 2007/early 2008 to replace Gisele's position. Was it true? nope! Liu Wen was allegedly called the first official Chinese angel! Was is true? no, she was merely the first chinese model to hit the VS runway. And then we had one girl called Monikangana Dutta or something whose management and herself told FHM that she's also an angel. Was that true? Hell no (indeed it was the worst lie of all). So it really astonishes me again and again how gullible so many of you are. Even Lais and Karlie who were indicated as potential Angels by VS themselves, aren't so far to be called official angels. So, how can Shanina and Elsa suddenly be?
VSfan88 5 Jan 2012 06:34:47
I guess VSFS "has evolved"... back then, it was prestige to wear a pair of wings. Now it's a "prestige" for those who get two pairs of wings.
VSfan88 3 Jan 2012 02:04:42
@KKfan: nah, Anja's wings were also huge and still Akon stood in the way so her wings hit Izabel on the arm
VSfan88 2 Jan 2012 05:09:18
I think Ale has a really realistic chance to get the fb this year. She will give birth in the end of May - if the VS people would postbone the fb shoot to the beginning of August she would have 2 months to get back in shape - and it's a shoot - so they can photoshop her tummy and by the time when Ale would hit the runway with the fb in November, she will get almost 3 additional months to tone up her body - so Ale 4 fantasy bra
VSfan88 1 Jan 2012 03:56:21
Ale is just like Gisele naturally model-skinny. Even when they were pregnant they looked the same with just a baby tummy, so i don't worry that Ale will be back in shape on time for the 2012 show. I hope Adriana won't get pregnant as long as she's an angel. Her body is just not the same anymore since she had a baby
VSfan88 27 Dec 2011 00:51:05
I think, Marloes is none of those three things. Same goes with Cintia - that's why she gets rejected year after year
VSfan88 27 Dec 2011 00:49:40
There are three ways to get into the show: 1) Having a great SS-runway season 2) Being one of John Pfeiffer's girls since he's the main figure in suggesting girls for the show 3) Being American
VSfan88 27 Dec 2011 00:47:15
@selitafan: Hell no, I don't hate Selita. I'm just being realistic - it's the same with Marisa - she ain't gonna do major VS stuff all of a sudden also because VS is done with upgrading them.
VSfan88 27 Dec 2011 00:26:04
Chanel was supposed to wear three outfits this year. Does anyone know which outfit was her alleged third outfit?
VSfan88 27 Dec 2011 00:24:57
what are you guys talking about? In that outfit board it says number 1 in Candice picture and not number 9. Weird thing it also says number 1 in Ale's picture but there's a brief circle behind the 1... maybe she was supposed to walk out 10th?? But funny to see that Bregje was supposed to wear Anja's outfit and Maryna Karlie's
VSfan88 27 Dec 2011 00:20:32
@selitafan: I don't wanna start drama but you know that Selita is past her time with VS - so no way she'll suddenly get one VS photo shoot after another
VSfan88 27 Dec 2011 00:19:31
I wouldn't say that Gracie was a token girl - she just did a lil more work for VS just like Magdalena or Edita but all of them are pretty much replaceable otherwise all of them would have been under runway-contract (not sure if something like that exists, but some of y'all came up with something like that) but none of them walked this year.
VSfan88 25 Dec 2011 10:34:58
hehe Selitafan, no need to write "peace". You loved the super angel-segment. It hit your taste. There's nothing wrong about it. See, you don't like "I put a spell on you" but I like it. So just different opinion - nothing wrong about that
I just don't like super angels because I don't like that song "Stronger" and I do think the outfits are beyond hideous. I really hate Anja's outfit, the wings looked all crappy (especially Behati's ones) and when Joan pulled that string with that plastic thing coming out, to me it looked "super" weird - almost ridiculous.... so it had to have a major soundtrack like last year's "Game on"-song but then they chose "Stronger" and since I don't like that song, it was clear to me that I wouldn't become a fan of this segment, but I do like Karlie's strut... just my opinion
VSfan88 25 Dec 2011 00:19:43
and merry x-mas 2 every1
VSfan88 25 Dec 2011 00:19:27
That's funny because to me "Super Angels" is the worst segment ever. Boring song and the outfits are beyond horrific and can be only beaten by ...let's say a baby segment with bibs, pacifiers and fake baby tummy as a corset. I do like Karlie's strut on the runway though I think, all songs are ok, but it's far from beyond "hit the nail on the head" but I think "Super Bass" was a very good choice for PINK. I think, it's so weird that none of the songs were obviously remixed that I'm starting to believe maybe "I put a spell on you" or "Passion" were remixed but for the TV-version it got scrapped just like in case of "Enchanted forest" back then.
VSfan88 23 Dec 2011 08:44:15
@selitafan: That's fun that you would put a link of my website in here. Thx
VSfan88 23 Dec 2011 08:43:53
Sorry to say that but I'm really tired of it when people say they should do an Angel-segment with current and past angels... like that would ever happen!! Especially Tyra and Gisele won't do a reunion I think. Tyra has done so much work as a non-model that I don't even think of her as a model anymore. I also think she tries to distance herself from the term "model" because sadly people still think models are just plain stupid and Tyra wants to be taken seriously. And wishing Gisele walking for VS again is like wishing Daria would walk. To put it in the words of some people in here - "Gisele is too big for VS".
VSfan88 22 Dec 2011 23:12:31
People know Ale as a VS angel - just look how the crowd was clapping for her when she entered the stage in the ballet-segment. But what do her legs have to do with the fb? If the talk was about her boobs then i'd get it, but legs?? I think, she was never a contender for the fb back then because by that time VS had Tyra, Heidi and Gisele, and Ale's presence just paled in comparison. And I can't really picture Ale wearing the 2007 and 2009 fb with the outfit that went along with it (Ale in that x-mas tree cape?? not really. 2009 fb I think just fit Marisa better than Ale). I hope they design the 2012 fb with Ale in their minds
VSfan88 21 Dec 2011 23:29:56
yeah poor Ale... has been with VS for such a long time and no fb for her. She was always treated a lil stepmotherly by VS. I mean, it already took awhile for VS to let her even just open a segment... I guess, they offered Ana BB an Angel-contract first, but since she rejected it they went with Ale.
VSfan88 21 Dec 2011 11:04:28
what do you guys think was the worst about the 2009 show?... and I'm talking about ONLY the show... not the things they thrown in between the segments (models search ). Personally, I think the star trooper segment lacked a lot of detail (the lingerie was really plain) and there was something "cheap" about the stage. However,I did like the enchanted forest segment and PINK was good. Plus: the songs were great (EVERY song was remixed... someone remember those times? !Not counting the BEP live performance!).
VSfan88 21 Dec 2011 10:09:25
I thought it's no secret that Todd uses other fashion shows for inspiration. Just look at the interview for the VSFS 2008 where he and Charlotte explained all the segments' meaning. There is a board full of pics from fashion shows and some who look like from editorials and stuff
VSfan88 21 Dec 2011 00:25:15
Todd might have "stolen" some ideas, but in all in all he's still doing a great job even though this year's outfits did take a step back
VSfan88 16 Dec 2011 10:35:48
I think, hundred of fans would love to sketch for the show but I don't think that Todd Thomas would look for help from amateurs like us... you know, what I'm saying? Even if he retires one day, he will be replaced by someone who already is established in the fashion industry and knows everything about designing, fabric, tailoring etc.
VSfan88 15 Dec 2011 23:09:55
there are some nice ideas for the Asian theme (I tried to draw one too, but not enough ideas to fill a whole segment ) but the Sakura tree as wings is pretty much covered up by VS before with the wings that Caroline Trentini wore in the 2009 show but that Bruce Lee-outfit is quite tacky you gotta admit, hm?
VSfan88 14 Dec 2011 10:16:05
@selitafan: no, I don't mean pics from the show. I mean the outfit board - like all the outfits in photos
VSfan88 14 Dec 2011 09:19:51
does anyone have the pics showing the outfit board from previous VSFS??
VSfan88 13 Dec 2011 10:47:12
God, it's so hard to draw metal reflection. I'm currently drawing a segment with a touch of gothic feeling to it with metal parts.... pretty much like the outfits in the opening segments from 2006-2009 (must be Charlotte Stockdale's thing - since she's gone the opening segment stopped having all these metal things... if somebody has ever noticed)
VSfan88 13 Dec 2011 04:48:32
Anyone remember the self-proclaimed VS angel Monikangana Dutta?? I'm kinda surprised that she wasn't chosen to walk in the Pre-Fall Chanel show as an Indian model.
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 10:20:54
so they should do "Project: (Victoria's secret) runway"... I mean VS knows Heidi very well! But then again, I couldn't participate because I don't live in the US and I'm also only interested in drawing the outfits. I'm not interested in tailoring, fabrics and stuff.
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 10:16:18
yeah, I thought about that too. I mean, VS show is such a big thing and it would be weird if they would cooperate with hobby drawers like us ... but then again they always say they only hire the big girls with lots of runway experience and yet they did that stupid model search in 2009 and make it look like any random somebody can walk the show.
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 05:29:53
@selitafan: Will you ever draw the outfits also in detail? or didn't you say you won't, so VS can't steal your ideas? I forgot
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 05:12:47
@selitafan: you're right. After Doutzen, VS started to confuse the fans about who's a real angel or bombshell. I don't know what the hell they wanna achieve with that one
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 05:10:50
I even think Selita was an Angel until early 2009 because she was the face of a VS fragrance in the beginning of 2009.
No, Chanel was most def signed in 2010. Idk if you saw the interview with Chanel and Ale being on "What's the buzz" but the interviewer asked her if she became an angel last year and she said yes.
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 05:02:26
well.... wikipedia hasn't been always perfect as a source... and I have argued a lot with the authors on the discussion-forum and proved them wrong many times.... and also, on wiki Rosie is listed as being signed as an angel in 2010... so never ever she's gotten a 3-years-contract
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 04:59:02
Personally, I can't wait for Chanel, Lily A and Lindsay to go. Behati should also be released because i don't see her going anywhere in particular. I also don't get Erin as an Angel but she has proven herself a lil bit to me and VS uses her too much to kick her out.. still don't know about Laís
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 04:56:26
how come it's been three years for Rosie when she got signed in 2010?? (Personally I think, she was signed in late 2009 but still it wouldn't be three years). I know nymag.com claims Chanel, Rosie and other three models signed three years-contract but that's bull
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 04:49:55
^There have been too many Angels for a while. My conclusion with the new angels is that VS don't sign them up for three years. Maybe only for a year - that is why Rosie wasn't an Angel after just one year and I don't think she breached her contract as well. Chanel has been an Angel for one year and her contract must be up for negotiation and it (luckily) seems like she will get the boot from VS very soon. Lily A hasn't shared the same fate yet because she was signed later... maybe we see her going in few months. If VS isn't completely stupid, they should have noticed that a lot of VS fans don't see her deserving a spot as an Angel. As for a successor for Behati I think Erin will be the next one. She opened PINK this year. Gotta mean something
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 04:28:30
^like who? Don't say Selita
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 04:24:44
I also think Behati was a perfect PINK spokesperson... actually I already think that it was too much to make an "Angel" out of Behati
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 03:57:10
@selitafan: I think Elsa is kinda adorable. She was cute in that video with Forte. Sure I also think she shouldn't become an Angel but first of all models have small faces in general and Elsa actually has that girl next door look... but I think she looks more like a doll
VSfan88 12 Dec 2011 03:54:40
@T.G.: I don't know if I ask for too much, but I can't use hotfile, 4shared, nor mediafire in China ... can you upload the remix on zippyshare? that's the only sharing site I can access
VSfan88 11 Dec 2011 03:09:28
^idk... someone posted on tfs a picture from Ale's twitter account. And she was holding the CD (white color). How about you just ask her on twitter ... or does twitter don't work like that?
VSfan88 11 Dec 2011 01:45:31
If people want to have the songs from this year's show, they should ask Alessandra on her twitter account to release them. She has all the songs on a CD. She posted a pic of the CD in her twitter before.
VSfan88 11 Dec 2011 01:44:12
I think, PINK spokesmodel shouldn't equals becoming an Angel eventually. I'm fine with Elsa being the PINK spokesmodel but an Angel... not so.
VSfan88 10 Dec 2011 04:05:31
Actually Adriana has indeed a great walk. Her other walk in Superangels was super fierce but of course they decided to put on her other walk
The more I watch the show, the more I gotta say that I noticed how bland Lais' face always is right after she stops to pose. She always has this super bland face like... "ok.... how should I pose?? BIIIG QUESTION MARK!... ok, a blink will do the work".
VSfan88 9 Dec 2011 23:16:31
so many georgous models but all unknown (except for Lakshmi ... without VS, Shanina would also be pretty uknown) - that "unknown" models got booked for such a big show like Chanel shows what a lack of diversity is in high fashion.
VSfan88 9 Dec 2011 10:36:36
^no probs - when I create outfits, I also take my time
VSfan88 9 Dec 2011 08:00:30
@selitafan: I think, the capricorn outfit looks nice. Just that tiara thing looks a little bit cheesy - too literal. I have rather mixed feelings about the libra-outfit. The wings are repetitive (too many wings in general) and the two scales on each hand are just too literal. My fav remains the Aquarius outfits or the wings respectively
VSfan88 8 Dec 2011 07:19:12
@Selitafan: Seriously dude, you got some mad ideas for the wings! Super cool! Your pisces wings almost look like looking into a caleidoscope! Thumps up!
VSfan88 8 Dec 2011 04:01:49
A bride-theme is actually ok... but guys you'll know they will screw it up with the music, choosing some obvious songs like "We belong together" by Mariah Carey or the mediocre "Best thing I never had" by Beyoncé
@selitafan: AAAH now I see it - I thought that's a lil hat on the models' head
VSfan88 8 Dec 2011 03:10:27
@alexis: The remixes seem a lilttle cheap to you? You gotta be kidding!
VSfan88 8 Dec 2011 03:07:28
hmmm... i'm aware of that it's tough to draw an outfit that should represent Gemini but the design of the wings resembles also those of the Aquarius' wings a bit too much. How about you draw another person on the left wing?
VSfan88 7 Dec 2011 23:54:40
@selitafan: Great outfits always take time to draw You know, I'm drawing some outfits with an arabic theme with a core theme on egyptian-inspired outfits and drawing some of those wings... takes like 4evaaaa!
VSfan88 7 Dec 2011 23:31:16
great Selitafan! When you came up with the idea of the zodiac sign, I was really concerned to see tacky outfits, but you proved me wrong with your ideas. It can indeed look very elegant. I really like the Aquarius' wings.
VSfan88 7 Dec 2011 04:51:03
like seriously, could VS steal our ideas? I think, putting a "©" to our picture wouldn't be enough, right?
VSfan88 6 Dec 2011 06:59:44
Watching the show today again, I gotta say they protraited Izabel a lil bit like a stupid bitchy bratt. You know that "Guuuuys, I need some hair spray! Does anybody have some hair spray?" and then she was standing there with her hands on her hips waiting for someone to bring her hair spray...
VSfan88 5 Dec 2011 23:56:07
I still think that making Erin was not necessary, but I got my favorite moments from her. Her 2009 PINK-walk was one of the highlights of that show and I think she was the best in the Aquatic Angels segment - even though I gotta say that she walked to the best part of the song
VSfan88 5 Dec 2011 10:27:05
As an Asian myself, I'm still waiting for an East Asian girl to become a VS angel but I gotta admit that there are barely Asian models out there, that would fit VS. My biggest bet was Anna Wang but her English is extremely basic and she's almost unknown in the western fashion market. She became somewhat visible though as the Maybelline New York face but now Shu Pei replaced her and I think she'll sadly will fall in oblivion image
VSfan88 5 Dec 2011 10:17:51
hmm Danica Magpantay? No, she's not VS material - seriously too skinny, and I mean Chanel Iman-skinny. Also her face is kinda masculine. I would prefer Charo Ronquillo
VSfan88 4 Dec 2011 09:01:22
During the finale, the roommate of my friend said: "All the girls have the same height, the same thin figure, the same long legs" and my friend: "and the same surgeon"
VSfan88 4 Dec 2011 02:17:18
but my friend did say something about Lily A: "... what the hell is wrong with her walk and neck?"
VSfan88 4 Dec 2011 02:15:13
seems like Joan is very memorable. With my friend, she didn't say anything about the other models but as soon as Joan walked out, she said "OH WOW - SO BEAUTIFUL!"
VSfan88 4 Dec 2011 02:13:13
@KKfan: as you might know, they sometimes show backstage material that doesn't necessarily happen simultaenously to the runway.
VSfan88 3 Dec 2011 23:25:33
I watched the VS show with my female friend and her roommate and they said Karlie is a very common face. Not very special. My friend LOVED Joan Smalls. Sometimes it's very refreshing to hear opinions from "normal" people
VSfan88 3 Dec 2011 23:16:42
@EDU: I noticed that you copied my question, but thanks for posting it again because nobody answered when I asked
VSfan88 2 Dec 2011 10:58:09
^yeah but when you said "Adriana also didn't start out well" you already compared her to Karlie. I like Karlie - I always liked the pizzazz she put on the runway when she opened all the Dior shows (Plus, she reminds me of a friend), but I don't know if she's really VS material. I don't think she's sexy face-wise also and... yes, it's true - all the pointing and waving is welcomed on the VS runway, but it seems like Karlie thinks that means she can do all silly things on the runway (I still can't get over that stupid body shake of hers during the aquatic-segment - that's stupider than all poses Angela and Noemie combined had ever done )
VSfan88 2 Dec 2011 10:51:05
Does anyone know the song that was played in the finale after Born this way? It's like between Born this way and S&M (some trompet sounds - very familiar but I can't figure out where I heard it before)
VSfan88 2 Dec 2011 10:47:09
@malloy: Exactly! Also, since when didn't Adriana start out well? She was the perfect VS sex kitten from the beginning she worked with the brand
VSfan88 2 Dec 2011 10:46:07
For "California king bed" the song is not remixed it was just fastened a lil bit just like Jewel's song last year but my version of Jewel's song can't be found on vsholic anymore so I thought that means that a song that was fastened is not enough of a remix to be offered for free
VSfan88 2 Dec 2011 10:45:21
@MrSuperModelLife: I know some songs were superslighty remixed but I don't know if there'll be anybody who bothers to do them for us (I tried to do the Club Pink song - the only song that was remixed, but the slow part of "Super Bass" doesn't exist as a studio record... so Idk how to do it).
VSfan88 2 Dec 2011 05:09:56
@MrSuperModelLife: I don't think you can download this year's show music because they are not remixed and therefore can be purchased everywhere. If the songs would be offered here for free, I think that would be illegal.
VSfan88 1 Dec 2011 09:42:15
this is a place to discuss what we feel about the show as VS fans. If you don't care, why you even here? Because you're bored? Then guess what - there's a life beyond your laptop... jeez
VSfan88 1 Dec 2011 08:23:11
Idk if it's just me but I also think the 2003 and the 2005 show were shot with a better camera.
VSfan88 1 Dec 2011 08:21:15
This year's editing was one of the best - but I still prefer the 2010 show simply they had some outfits that were really 2005ish
VSfan88 1 Dec 2011 08:20:35
I wasn't refering to the photo when I talked about the 2008 show
VSfan88 1 Dec 2011 08:20:05
The slow mo of Adam kissing Anne and Ale with her wings... eeewww, super cheesy. And not to forget Karlie's stupid epileptic shake!! Why they didn't show her other pose? And also why they showed Miranda's shoe strap fallen apart? What is a second taping good for then (I guess only when a boobie is showing )?
VSfan88 1 Dec 2011 08:12:41
@selitafan: Sure a great show depends on a good editing but the editing of the 2008 show was the worst of all shows and yet a lot of people think it was a great show because it simply was. If the editing of this year's show would have sucked, I don't think many people would feel the same like for the 2008 show
VSfan88 1 Dec 2011 03:03:08
now I also finally got to see the entire show and I gotta say... the editing saved this year's show's ass
VSfan88 1 Dec 2011 01:58:47
wow Barbara, now that's what I call a curvy model body and the pics are very different from recent VS pics (good!)
@evang18: yes, Sara Sampaio was at this year's casting and people think she got rejected because she resembles Adriana too much ... ???
Upload remixes to this year's show? What remixes? haha
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:33:53
^no idea what you mean
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:32:16
sorry to be nostalgic but Tyra, Heidi, Gisele, Adriana, Ale and KK were the Angel line-up in perfection - even though this group of six angels (2003-2004 were more either Ale or KK as the fifth angel) didn't even last for a year
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:28:06
selitafan: There are realistic chances that Chanel will be out soon... for Lily Aldridge - hope I could say the same thing but I can't
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:26:42
ooh I can remember 2007 when Adri, Ale, Iza, Selita, Heidi, Miranda, Marisa and KK plus Behati (so 7+1 girls) were doing promotion for VS and I already thought that was beyond enough.
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:24:42
Personally, I think Lais is sexier than Joan. I think Candice is pretty much a real angel. Besides that she seems to be the main face to be used by VS for promo and stuff, she appeared in the forbes list and real Angels have always appeared in that list (can't remember seeing Marisa in that list before though ).
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:11:02
With Lais on the boat, Chanel might be out - I actually hope they would kick out more girls - 10 angels are just too much - quality- and quantity-wise
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:07:33
I think, Lais is most definitely VS material - it's just something about her presence that's quite underwhelming
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:06:34
back then, the outfits were STUNNING! They didn't need that much wings. Nowadays, the outfits mostly are crappy and mediocre - so they need support of the wings to look kinda impressive.
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 08:00:44
I never understood how Flavia could have become sort of a VS runway regular. I don't see much in her appeal and this year her face looked kinda squeezed - she was much more stunning last year
VSfan88 30 Nov 2011 06:42:18
@Aleryna: yeah, but as a rating-hungry show (that's what the show has turned into), we'll NEVER have unique remixes again. Once Adri and Ale exit, expect actresses walking the runway
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 23:30:55
So they did an intro similiar to the 2005-intro?? That must have taken long because now they have like as twice as much angels than in 2005
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 23:29:10
thx rod-mex
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 23:15:47
thx rod-mex but please can you list the girls that were featured in the intro?? Can't use youtube because CHINA doesn't allow it
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 23:12:48
Who was featured in the intro? I missed it because of that stupid slow internet I have to suffer from
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 23:05:21
I was always for the "rule" that only girls should be made angels when they deserve it and not because VS needed a particular face and then they choose random faces (I'm so sure Lindsay, Erin, Lily and Chanel are only made angels cause they are Americans)
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 22:59:10
well at least Chanel can call herself a legitimate (former?) angel. Emanuela was always like unofficially an angel - I'm wondering if her big fall came with her absence in the 2009 show. Wasn't she scheduled to wear 3 outfits in that show? And if she would have been kept by VS and made an angel... would that had saved us from all those second hand angels??
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 22:55:04
yeah, and now that Lais was credited in the intro, Chanel is even more in danger to be given the boot (not that I'm complaining)
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 22:50:02
when Adriana says "Thank you" to the camera ... it would've been epic if this was her last show
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 22:42:06
i can watch the stream but it always stops after 2-3 seconds... VERY VERY tiring to watch. I missed the opening but if Lais is credited that pretty much confirms her as the new angel... they never put girls in the opening credit if they're not angels or soon to become some (like the 2009-intro). But I heard Lais' English is superbad and personally I think she lacks some spark even though she's really pretty
VSfan88 29 Nov 2011 22:02:40
me either... error 508 shows
VSfan88 28 Nov 2011 22:36:36
@Alessafan... well, wikipedia is always a nice site and its article about the VSFS is quite accurate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria%27s_Secret_Fashion_Show (if there are mistakes, you should recognize them as a VS fan )
and besides that here's another site. It's my homepage and it's in German but the info table includes more details than of the wikipedia-page http://dts-utopia.npage.de/victorias-secret-fashion-show_40086328.html
Hope, I could help
VSfan88 28 Nov 2011 22:18:52
@Alessafan: What are you doing the VSFS info for? Just for yourself or for your homepage?
VSfan88 28 Nov 2011 22:17:38
yeah, but an essentiell part of being a great Angel is also to be a good spokesperson and Doutzen lacks that. I don't know her personally, so I don't judge her being boring in private life but as a spokesperson she lacks that "big personality". Of course, I'm not expecting her to be a Heidi, a Tyra or a Marisa because I don't think that's how Doutzen is in private but at least she could be like Miranda, Ale or Izabel. They don't go the comedic way to show their big personalities. Just being outgoing and throw in a couple of jokes and that's already enough but Doutzen always comes off a little bit force once she tries.... idk, it's weird
VSfan88 28 Nov 2011 06:28:58
just saw an interview with Doutzen and Chanel backstage at the VSFS this year and damn Doutzen has the face but she's freaking boring... it was really just question, answer, question, answer --- if you wanna stay an angel, you gotta start being creative Doutzen
VSfan88 27 Nov 2011 07:23:04
so VS tried to make an Angel out of Cat?? I'm glad that never happened. Don't see angel material in her either.
VSfan88 26 Nov 2011 05:52:44
Made in Brazil magazine.. that's how it looks like when males are getting objetified. I don't know, maybe I'm not used to it but I think it looks more aesthetic when females are posing barely clothed so close to each other than males do.
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 12:09:06
anyway, was nice chat with you guys. Good nite
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 12:07:59
I never seen that video but I gotcha
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 12:07:39
yeah Doutzen's goddess outfit had so many details but her body really didn't fit that "metal belt"-thing and overall it looked more European medieval than ancient greek-style
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 12:06:08
^all I can remember about Marisa's fitting video from 2008 was that her outfit was eventually divided into Isabeli's outfit and Izabel's outfit with that feather thing on the shoulder
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 12:02:48
maybe it was scheduled to be presented on the runway but VS also changed things at the last minute as everyone knows. For example, Miranda was supposed to walk out second in the "glamour goddess" -segment but ended up walking out after Adri and Ale
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:59:42
@selitafan: ??? Marisa was supposed to get 2 outfits but then got 3 outfits but wasn't in the modern segment??? Marisa was in the modern segment
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:57:04
I really can't see Karlie suiting the VS image at any time. I like her and her 90's supermodel walk but I don't see a bombshell in her
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:55:19
nope, I saw that picture where KK "allegedly" walked the runway by herself but in the right corner of the photo you can see the train of Carmen Kass' outfit. So that picture was taken during the finale
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:53:22
aaah totally forgot about Karlie. We were talking about who could be the next angel and I think Karlie gave us their own answe with Karlie
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:51:04
Anne V... I'm fine with her but anyone remember that Adam kissed her on the cheek and she acted all surprised... but the show is taped twice. So she had to fake at least one time that she was surprised Adam would give her a kiss on the cheek
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:48:17
yeah KK at the very end. Maybe because they just managed to fix her outfit and she just made it to the finale. I also don't understand where people get the notion from that KK was supposed to walk the "black tie"-segment. Are there any proof she was supposed to? I don't think so, because the song perfectly ended with Heidi. If KK was scheduled to walk out Heidi would have walked out with no music because it would have finished with Doutzen
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:45:51
and if they go for celebs girlfriend - Bar Refaeli is like the biggest thing they could get when she dated Leo. Plus, out of all celebs wife/girlfriends/known flirts/what-not, Bar would have been the best pick. That girl is freaking hot and has great personality, too but apparently she was not American enough for VS... tzzz...
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:44:02
I'm not so sure if that was reason enough to make Lily A an angel. I don't think kings of leon are that much in the gossip and Lily A is the best example for - you could be a celebs girl but still no one cares about you
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:42:27
watching the exclusive footage of the finale made me realize how much I crave a finale walk! PLEASE VS - bring back a proper finale walk (not like this year, where the angels turned back from two rows - such "experiments" always look very beauty pageant-like)
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:40:23
What about Bregje Heinen? if she was good for the show or if she's angel material? John Pfeiffer was like "yeah, finally we can consider Bregje Heinen because she finally turned 18" but i seriously don't see any reason for such enthusiasm because she doesn't scream "VS material" to me
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:37:46
Lily A - must be one of the weirdest picks EVER! Who one earth liked her behind VS curtains? I know, Ed is crazy about Chanel but who's about Lily A??
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:37:11
that her eyes look to two different directions
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:34:36
IT'S SO WEIRD SELITAFAN - i wanted to change the topic to Karmen and suddenly you wrote about her
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:34:09
Plus, no more Karmen for VS please. I liked her in SS2011 John Galliano. Very womanly. But her eyes kinda look to two different directions and she kinda had that weird vibe when Lara did VSFS
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:31:01
i didn't like how they fixed adriana's bang to the site. Looked like her hair was still in the process of being made. Adriana's face has become bigger and in order to make it look better they should have did some curls to her bangs. Just like in 2003 and 2008
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:28:52
I think, they gave Lily D wrong outfits this year. Her face seems to be more round and all these neck accessoires emphasized it even more and strangely both her outfits covered up her whole neck.
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:27:07
oh, I hope no one will ever fall on the runway just to get some attention. I hope every model should no better how to grap attention without doing an actual mistake
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:25:25
well, I prefer VS to make models angels that already do have some model experience. Personally I think they made angels of Izabel and Selita too early. Let them walk the runway first and if they appear to suit the angel status even more, then make them angels. Pretty much like Miranda and Candice.
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:20:05
@selitafan: yes! actually there was a discussion about it and you can even see in the edited version when they switched to backstage that Izabel says "her shoe broke" or something like that... you can't hear her saying it, but the way she moved her mouth -- well, that's how some people analyzed the footage
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:15:29
Plus Edita Vilkeviciute of course. My personal frontrunner to become an angel. Unfortunately her English is very basic. I also wanna see an East Asian model to become an angel... but the only two east asian models that have walked the VS runway so far (Liu Wen and Sui He) have even worse English
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:12:49
Haven't seen much work of Shanina Shaik but this girl must be like the sexiest exotic thing I haven't seen for a while. I think, she didn't have much of good photo shoots so far. That's why can't really tell her potential but she was stunning in this year's show based on her photos
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:11:01
^yeah I figured that out before as well ... nice someone else pay attention to the details of the outfits so much like I do
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:05:17
I never got Joan's appeal. To me, she rather looks like an actress. Even her stage name (her actual name is Joan Rodriguez) sounds more of an actress than model
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:04:15
yeah Magda, the best newcomers last year. Too bad, she jumped off at the last minute this year
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 11:02:58
I gotta say, that Anja's face looked very emaciated this year but I like her because she screams model to me. First time she walked for VS in that "star trooper"-segment. My first thought "supermodel" and I don't think that of a lot of models. Also, Anja is the biggest high fashion model VS could get this year. Plus, maybe she was supposed to walk the Versace for H&M show and VS wanted to persuade her to do the VS show instead and lure her with the offer to wear 3 outfits
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:58:53
oh man, being from Germany, I was soooooooooooooo excited when I heard she was chosen to walk this year (last year she was unfortunately rejected) and then I saw her in the ballet-segment and her non-goofy walk and then her final pose with the blink - FIERCE as hell. But she seems kinda cold and inapproachable. It's kinda her charisma and I like it but it's inappropiate for angels. So I'd rather not see her in the position of an angel because she would have to change her personality
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:55:48
@selitafan: you can't remember much of Toni's body, probably because both of her outfits covered her up pretty much (new VS outfits rule as it seems)
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:54:41
I also think Chanel's contract is over. In this year's press releases for the show, her name was almost never mentioned. With these second hand angels, I don't think they even get 3 years contract (that's why Rosie was out like after a year only)
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:53:07
As I heard, Inguna got pregnant and now she's slowly working again
As for Angela - she tried to be like an angel too much. Forcing her way next to the angels in the 2005&2006 shows in the finale (you know, when they used to show the angels in the middle of all models). So I'm glad they got rid of her. Plus, she's also llike 30 something. For VS recent "cute young model"-complex waaaay to old
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:49:39
why this site always post my comments twice?? @whereisthewine: anyway, it took me a lil while but now I got it
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:48:39
I really don't see any of the current angels as the frontrunner for "next main angel". It's weird. Adriana has become the main angel like 1 year ago and it feels like she's slowly passed her time
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:45:33
I think, I kinda understand whereisthewine with that "head bitch" thing. Like some model might be great with personality and body and stuff but there must be the certain aura where you think this girl could be the leader, the main angel (I think, that's what "head bitch" is supposed to mean)
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:41:40
well the majority of headlines back then were probably all about Heidi and maybe Adriana. Ale and KK were in the same boat i think. When KK's contract was up for negotiation, she suffered from hypothyroidism and couldn't keep her body in shape and I think VS didn't want to renew a contract of a model that came along with such problems. I think, she would be one of the bigger names if things were different and she would still be an angel
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:38:30
Doutzen has, when it comes to appearance only, the perfect package in order to be an angel but she doesn't have the "media-outgoing"-personality. It somehow feels so forced when she tries to make a joke or two. There were rumors that Ale will be gone pretty soon but I think Doutzen could be the one in danger. Her contract is up this year and I don't see any reason for VS to keep her.
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:35:22
personally Rosie never really appeared to me. Is she sexy - yeah, but not always in a classy way for me. I prefer her thousand times to the second hand angels of course but i also wasn't too sad to see her leave
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:32:09
c'mon KK had a great personality and she and Gisele stole the 2006-show.
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:13:45
you guys got to be kidding if you think the 2009-show was so crappy because of the economy. Yeah, they might invested a lil less into the show but I'm pretty sure it was still a multi-million-production and I mean, they had this stupid "model search" - that must have also cost some pretty big bucks
VSfan88 25 Nov 2011 10:08:21
I guess, most of us become interested in VS with the 2005 show and Ale and Adri are the last two ones standing from that "iconic era" because i think everyone will agree with me that 2005 was an iconic show for VS - that's why they are iconic VS faces. I think, VS felt that Selita wasn't going anywhere far that's why they didn't renew her contract when it was up for new negotiation. Same would have gone to Marisa if she didn't feel like she wanted to do other things. Even though Doutzen is beautiful as hell, she lacks the "media-outgoing"-personality and Candice still has a long way to go (I don't even bother to mention the second hand angels). I agree with Franky, that Miranda seems to be the only Angel who could get to the ranks of Adriana and Ale but I can't see her being in the main angel-position one day... KK would have been perfect for that position - too bad she was in an unfortunate state when her contract was up for new negotiation.
VSfan88 24 Nov 2011 23:00:23
@selitfan: oh man, whereisthewine wrote that (s)he (? ) THINKS that Sean O'Pry is gay. That doesn't mean he's gay---
VSfan88 24 Nov 2011 22:57:39
I wouldn't say the 2009-show was a disaster either, but I gotta admit there was something "cheap" about the show and I can't really point out where specifically. I do think that the "Enchanted forest"-segment was great and the last segment had also some nice outfits (Miranda's one was dynamite) but the constant switch to that Kylie-girl was ANNOYING!
VSfan88 24 Nov 2011 01:26:55
"yeah whatever"
VSfan88 24 Nov 2011 01:09:57
To be on the map means like scoring the cover of Italian vogue, or booking a campaign of a renowned fashion house or since Selita doesn't stand a chance in hf, you could consider her being on the map if she would have scored a supporting role in a big Hollywood movie or getting her own show as a host - That's outstanding and not appearing in a poll (and not even at no.1) or even less attending a party. But one thing good about Selita is that she actually looks like a womenly sexy model with great personality. But maybe after five years of walking the show, the VS people also wanted to have a womenly sexy model with great personality who actually has big work worth mentioning and i can't recall she had any... the biggest thing I could think of was her appearance in "the celebrity apprentice" ... well...
VSfan88 24 Nov 2011 00:12:30
besides that, i don't think it's mean that she had to attend castings just because she used to be an angel.
VSfan88 24 Nov 2011 00:11:38
^why everyone thinks that male models have to be gay?
on the other note: I think, Selita is a nice model but I think VS couldn't really put her on the map. Unlike most of the other angels, she neither made it into high fashion (like Miranda or Candice) nor making herself a household name (like Heidi or Tyra or even Marisa if you will), and since VS wants the successful high fashion models for their show, I guess that's why she didn't make it this year.
VSfan88 22 Nov 2011 00:19:03
^the PINK-segment pretty much capture this idea
VSfan88 22 Nov 2011 00:16:58
Probably I'm the only one who thinks like dat, but I think last year's show was better, simply alone because of the themes. This year's themes were so-so.
"Ballet" - I didn't like because the combination of tutu and lingerie is too weird. It worked very well for Magda last year but an entire segment full of tutus is too much.
"Super angels" - hell no comment (*puke*)
"Passion" - was ok but had bummer-outfits as well (I mean, what's that life belt featured in Maryna's outfit all about???)
"Angels Aquatic" - probably the best theme but they mainly took it to the wrong direction. They went more the mermaid-amphibian way. I'm doing research for my own rendition of this theme and there's SO MUCH more for inspiration. I will show you once I'm done (and of course they had to ruin this segment with "Moves like Jagger"
"I put a spell on you" - there's something so beautiful about this segment but yet so forgettable, too
"PINK" - *puke**puke*??
VSfan88 22 Nov 2011 00:14:40
^well, but when I talk about "tacky" I mean like "tacky tacky". Something that came up with themes like "game on" and "super angels". Everyone will agree with me that those themes are obviously tackier than let's say "enchanted forest" or "heavenly bodies" and that zodiac suggestion would fall more into the "tacky tacky" category
VSfan88 21 Nov 2011 23:58:01
If there'll be a zodiac-segment, then it would follow the likes of "game on" and "super angels" - that theme screams out tacky costumy-outfits for Halloween. No way Todd could make it tasteful.
VSfan88 21 Nov 2011 12:25:56
@evang18: It kinda fits the segment but the beat is too freaking slow to be a good runway song... anyone posted on VS' official facebook-page before? Do they really read it? Isn't it possible to write like a petition like "BETTER MUSIC FOR NEXT YEAR'S SHOW PLEASE" and everyone you guys know inform them to click the "like"-button?
VSfan88 21 Nov 2011 04:57:46
^it gotten better but it's still not appropiate for someone who've been using English for work for soooo long time - but it's part of why she's so charming
VSfan88 21 Nov 2011 03:47:45
yeah, now looking at the vids that show the full segments, it's such a shame that the music was the CRAPPIEST of all time in the history of the VSFS. "Moves like Jagger" was the best at fitting a segment and that already means something bad because actually it doesn't fit the aqua-theme at all. Haven't seen the full segments of "Passion" and "I put a spell on you" but those segments are also accompanied by un-remixed songs, right? Booooo, shame on youuu DJ
VSfan88 20 Nov 2011 09:54:36
VSfan88 20 Nov 2011 09:34:30
@Jake: Used songs in the PINK-segment: "Super Bass" by Nicki Minaj and "It takes two" by Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock (luckily, I've been a "My name is Earl"-fan which was ESSENTIELL to find out this song's name!)
VSfan88 20 Nov 2011 09:31:00
I think commas are the least problem for vscritic - if you continue to write like that, you'll get blocked again
VSfan88 19 Nov 2011 23:45:58
what I never understood - what does it mean when someone says "The runway is too long for Candice because she's always outta breath at the end of the runway"????? Is it because her walk slows down? That's because she's trying to walk to the beat and same with Jewel's song, that "ballet-segment" song doesn't offer a strong, fast-paced walk (look at Chanel - she walks exactly to the beat but it looks kinda slow... and drunken of course )
VSfan88 19 Nov 2011 23:40:09
exactly - those five girls (I always refer them to second hand angels) really don't deserve to be angels. I really like Behati, but she doesn't fit the image of a sexy VS model. Erin is fine and her 2009 PINK-moment was one of my favs from that year but it's so random to make her an angel. Lindsay.. I'm not gonna comment on this lady with the big scary eyes and smile. And I'm gonna less comment on Chanel and Lily A... for obvious reasons.
VSfan88 19 Nov 2011 01:08:01
@Nathan: to be picky, it wasn't EXACTLY the same. Adriana just shaped a heart and then turned. Lais shaped a heart and gave some kisses. Lais ballet outfit btw reminds me of a cheaper version of Ana Beatriz sexy kitten-outfit back in the 2003 show... which is already 8 YEARS ago!!
VSfan88 18 Nov 2011 12:26:02
I love those exclusive footage. Especially from the ballet one. It was from the first taping. So most of it we'll rather not see in the TV-version. Love Toni's blink and how the audience knows how to cheer loudly for the real angels Ale and Miranda. Drunken Chanel deserved the pity applause. Kinda have the feeling that Lais is 1st frontrunner to become the next angel. Aren't they only sending the camera man on the runway when an angel is walking?
VSfan88 18 Nov 2011 12:08:35
^danke Dennis
VSfan88 18 Nov 2011 05:51:02
I kno, I've been quite vocal about it but now I think the "Moves like Jagger" song kinda fits the angels aquatic-segment. Still can't get Rihanna's and OneRepublic's song since they really DON'T have a good beat to walk to. A remixed version of "Secrets" with another song could worked out since the string part kinda fits the strict "Victorian" attitude VS always knows how to dissapoint its fans
VSfan88 16 Nov 2011 23:09:42
@evang18: I think, Flavia was at her best in the 2010-show. She might got only one walk but her outfit was one of the best and the way her turn was captured and how it fitted to the beat of the song was dynamite!
VSfan88 16 Nov 2011 23:07:43
@Daphne: I think it's super-obvious that I meant Candice, Ale and Miranda when I wrote about "VS models going high fashion" - so there's really no need to mention Selita and Marisa. As for Tyra - her career took place in another time. You can't compare it to nowaday's high fashion. And why you're so obsessed about finding out the real heights of models? There's no need to discuss it so long because we'll never know their true heights anyway and it seems like you're not reading your posts before sending them which is why they're so confusing because no one knows if you mean "can" or "can't"
VSfan88 16 Nov 2011 03:24:33
@Daphne: First of all, how can you know that Nicki is 5'0"? According to google she's 5'3". Actually, listed heights of celebrities are often more inaccurate than of models because for celebs it really doesn't matter how tall they are. Maybe it's possible with 5'5" to work in Greece as a model, but we're talking about models that are working in the important cities of the fashion world such as NY and for a while Paris and Milan with that "VS models go high fashion"-trend. And since every model tries to make it in the fashion capitals, the criterias for height and being skinny should be more strict in Paris, NY and Milan than in cities like Athens.
VSfan88 15 Nov 2011 08:17:35
^probably because they think Natasha is currently the most successful hf model that is sexy? Personally, I don't miss Natasha for VS. By that time I watched the 2005 show, I was one of the "general people" who didn't care for models and just watched the show because VS = sexy girls and I just thought of Natasha as "skinny girl and not that sexy"
VSfan88 15 Nov 2011 05:22:27
@LM: i don't think it's because of the segment. They could've also opened the show with the super angels-segment. They clearly wanted to emphasize more that Candice is the newest hot VS thing
VSfan88 15 Nov 2011 05:19:57
Is it for sure that all the girls wear heels that have the same inches? I'm pretty positive that Adri is 5'10"... Candice and Ale are most definitely not as tall as they are always listed.
VSfan88 14 Nov 2011 22:44:30
what the hell? I posted just one time ... why it pops out three times?
VSfan88 14 Nov 2011 22:43:45
@Daphne: Nicki Minaj looks so tall in that picture because she's standing in front of the girls. You always look taller when you're in front or on the sides of a picture. Want some proof? for example, when Erin walked with Nicki together on the runway, Nicki looked ridiculously, embarrasingly small next to her but in the finale picture you posted, Nicki doesn't look so small compared to Erin (who's standing behind that guy with the glasses). So Daphne, it's all about camera-angle. Not that hard to proof you wrong
VSfan88 14 Nov 2011 22:43:15
@Daphne: Nicki Minaj looks so tall in that picture because she's standing in front of the girls. You always look taller when you're in front or on the sides of a picture. Want some proof? for example, when Erin walked with Nicki together on the runway, Nicki looked ridiculously, embarrasingly small next to her but in the finale picture you posted, Nicki doesn't look so small compared to Erin (who's standing behind that guy with the glasses). So Daphne, it's all about camera-angle. Not that hard to proof you wrong
VSfan88 13 Nov 2011 11:11:19
@MaNEe: Are you using google translator in order to post in English??... no idea what your post means
VSfan88 13 Nov 2011 07:09:00
why there's the rumor that Alessandra will go? Is it because she wasn't in this year's x-mas commercial?
VSfan88 13 Nov 2011 07:06:25
still hoping that they didn't just simply play "California king bed" and "Secrets", but put in at least A LIL remix. Both songs are horrible to walk to - too F***in' SLOW
VSfan88 13 Nov 2011 01:32:56
urgh, don't even get me started on Lindsay... she looked like a total psycho with her eyes and grin wide open... but this is like the first time that I realized that she looks like a model-version of Reese Witherspoon
VSfan88 12 Nov 2011 23:22:56
honestly, I wasn't that bothered by Chanel this year... I just think, she doesn't deserve last year's "over the top"-treatment with getting 3 outfits, 2 wings, opening "heavenly bodies" (hello a segment called "HEAVENLY BODIES" and closing the show with a butt-ugly outfit (and wings and that bubble machine for the picky ones).
VSfan88 12 Nov 2011 23:18:52
I think, Anja looked HER (not HIS... funny though ) best in the 2009 show
VSfan88 12 Nov 2011 12:08:14
I hope she will walk the 2012 show!
VSfan88 12 Nov 2011 08:25:15
this year had a bunch of the most crappiest outfits of all time... i mean, Behati's wings in the super angels-segment were supertrash... actually the entire segment was trash
VSfan88 12 Nov 2011 03:23:24
^she has been getting the extra treatment. Wondering if VS really wanna go the angel-road with her.
VSfan88 12 Nov 2011 03:17:49
^Please I don't even know her enough in order to care so much to despise her
VSfan88 12 Nov 2011 02:25:20
I have no idea why they always choose Winberg as a filler. There are so many other blonde models they could choose from
The more I look at the superheroes-segment, the more disgusted I am. How on earth could they let such trashy outfits on the runway? That's what you design when you're out of inspiration. Anja's outfit is the worst in that segment
I hope to see Shanina next year. I always find the newcomers with one outfit better. It's like you can't get enough from them, because clearly you didn't get enough. Same with Candice in 2007 and Anna Jagodzinska in 2009! (and Emanuela in 2010 even though she wasn't a newcomer)
VSfan88 11 Nov 2011 07:58:54
Victoria's Secret models still have this image of "sexy, womanly model" but if people just take a real look at the models for once, they're not going to think like that anymore. Karlie does have something of a "leader model"-vibe but Shanina is a model who does justice to that obsolete VS model image
VSfan88 11 Nov 2011 04:58:43
Even though I love Toni, I gotta say that Shanina is my fav newcomer this year. She's one of those girls you immediately wanna know more about. The last newcomer who I had the same feeling for was Candice in 2007
VSfan88 11 Nov 2011 04:10:30
and please get rid of Lindsay! Her face at the end of the runway.... big smiles and big eyes... it looks kinda psycho
those tutus in the PINK section are just ugly as hell. And again: One of the shittiest outfits goes to Jacquelny Jablonski. Poor girl
VSfan88 11 Nov 2011 04:07:15
^ok... because Ieva's pic came first in the PINK section of the gallery. I think Caroline Brasch Nielsen looks very nice. I have no idea why people wrote things like "OMG she made it. My worst nightmare became true".
VSfan88 11 Nov 2011 03:10:38
btw... so random that Ieva Laguna opened PINK
VSfan88 11 Nov 2011 03:09:27
oh yeah, the music... I think, besides the editing, it's the most important thing to make the show works. The outfits can suck but "Game on" is the best example for how the music can save a horrible segment outfit-wise. So it's VERY SAD AND IRRITATING that the music lies in the hands of someone with such a lack of a creative vein. The DJ is not even to blame for since we all know he also did the unique remixes back then in 2003, 2005 whateva. He just does what will be suggested to him. The VS show REALLY NEEDS Alexander de Betak back! WHY HE LEFT??
VSfan88 10 Nov 2011 11:00:50
That Anja was done with VS... wasn't that just a rumor started on tfs by that stupid VShater-user LiranYana?
VSfan88 10 Nov 2011 10:57:35
I think it's weird that Anja got 3 looks since she's not that known as a VS face like (let's say) Edita or Magdalena for example. But saying she doesn't deserve it because her body is sooo wrong for VS... For starters, they made Chanel an angel. Everything is possible now with VS. Chanel might have gained weight but now her face just looks a lil bit fuller but the body is still not VS material--- so she gained 15lb my A-S-S
VSfan88 10 Nov 2011 10:51:26
Doutzen's spanish outfit looks in motion epic ... and her pose of course also!
VSfan88 10 Nov 2011 10:50:12
OMG "Moves like Jagger" for the aquatic segment?? That must be the most fucked up choice of music in the history of the VSFS. I think, we all know that also the music is not going back to the glory days of the show. It got replaced by commercial songs but "Moves like Jagger" for the aquatic segment? I MEAN, HELLO?!!?!?!?!
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 10:12:45
KK won't walk the show because she has some project on German TV going on. So even if VS wanted her to do the show (which I think), she still would have declined. So it was KK's decision not to walk - not VS's
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 10:11:35
Oh please if someone believes that Tyra and Heidi will walk... what is it called... errr... STUPID?
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 09:51:14
Does anyone knows what Cee-Lo is doing so he declined his appearance? And why Nicki Minaj as a replacement... i can't stand her. She started her career as a featuring artist of so many songs - having nothing up her own sleeve and now she's like the poor version of Lady GaGa... if VS wanted someone crazy, then go for the original - Lady GaGa!!
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 09:47:53
errr... ok... well, models are getting their hair done at this very moment... can't wait to see who are the unknown 37th and the 38th model in the show (EDITA PLEASE )
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 07:12:06
@Kevork I mean
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 07:11:50
^yeah and then you have to read like 100 pages... just like me
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 07:05:09
@Nathan... yeah you're right. I can remember when there was a vid of Charlotte and Todd creating Doutzen's ballet the fleur outfit. Charlotte just gave ideas but Todd was the one who was drawing. I just never seen Todd drawing like that before
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 06:54:12
^ i don't know. Both drawings look completely different. The "prototype" drawings also started like last year. The same time when that Sophia woman got so lucky to replace Charlotte (I WANT THAT SPOT )
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 06:43:48
I love Todd's sketches - there always drawn with detail and love. And then there are some other skteches (always on non-white paper) and they look so scribbled that it hurts my eye. Are those from Sophia?
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 06:40:24
yeah, and Lais' post-baby body is to die for. I don't know her personally, but everytime when someone says she was so boring last year, I totally agree. She's superpretty but there was something so powerless and forgettable about her- I hope she'll be a bomb tonight
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 05:57:06
^I said it looks like her but it doesn't mean it's her for sure! Please don't think she's confirmed. That's how rumors always start
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 05:49:15
Personally I'm glad Winberg is not there but the 4th outfit of the aquatic segment on the board looks like her
VSfan88 9 Nov 2011 05:47:52
oh, so technically the models at the H&M show can walk the VSFS. So Edita could walk?? A little guidance from the people behind the setting and from the models and rehearsal is not needed. I mean, how hard is it to walk on the runway?
VSfan88 8 Nov 2011 23:16:42
I'm also confused about that Nicki Minaj was supposed to perform at the H&M show as well right. But isn't she performing in the VSFS as well?
VSfan88 8 Nov 2011 23:10:53
Come on, Edita is freaking sexy! It's not her fault that she got underwhelming outfits last year and she only got like 3 seconds screen time for her "country girls"-outfit. In 2009, she was super adorable in her "Enchanted forest"-outfit
VSfan88 8 Nov 2011 23:07:26
I think, Anja looks always great at the VSFS. I know she's technically superskinny but because of her broad hip bones she'll never look like a Chanel (thx God).
VSfan88 8 Nov 2011 21:16:08
Is everyone hating on Anja because she's known to keep her model body in an unhealthy way?
ah, that's why Edita is missing - because of the H&M show... Who scheduled the show for the same day of the VSFS? So ridiculous
VSfan88 7 Nov 2011 22:39:02
So each segment will be opened by the true angels (Candice, Adriana, Ale, Miranda, Doutzen) + PINK by Behati? If they keep it that way, my wish and prediction comes true
VSfan88 7 Nov 2011 22:03:17
I still think it's Cameron on picture #54. It's pretty common that there's one model in the picture but there's another name on the attached papers
VSfan88 7 Nov 2011 08:41:32
Could it be that this girl on the picture #54 is Cameron Russel and not (like tfs people think) Anna J... I mean, it looks like Anna J to 0,000% anyway
VSfan88 7 Nov 2011 01:18:18
By the way: Todd Thomas designed the 2005 show with Charlotte (I could swear he also did 2003 but I'm not sure right now)... so he's not a bad designer, just a designer who's running out of ideas
VSfan88 7 Nov 2011 01:16:14
No Gracie this year = AAAAARGH
and still no news about Edita, huh?
VSfan88 7 Nov 2011 01:15:04
Adriana's superhero outfit is too obvious... it could really be stolen from a Marvel comic or something. That segment will most def work like the "Game on"-segment.
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 12:29:41
"Human" is a nice song but I'm always for remixes. I really hate it when they just play a song the way it is. Like the DJ is too lazy to remix it or even worse - to make the show more commercial so people rather know the songs and can sing along like the VSFS has to serve as a stupid Karaoke-show as well.
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 12:07:04
^you misunderstood - I only liked the PINK and ballet de fleur song. The other songs I didn't like.
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 11:28:41
2010 was also ok. I like the outfits from the "heavenly bodies"-segment - Some outfits (like Flavia's, Izabel's or Martha's) were really elaborate and could compete with the "legendary" outfits of the 2005 show.
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 11:25:45
2008 was stage-, models-, and outfit-wise a big eye-candy but the editing and the music (expect for PINK and ballet de fleur) made the show seriously like a bummer .
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 08:06:51
Is it just me or did anyone else notice that Charlotte Stockdale is no where to be seen this year?
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 06:37:05
^yeah, but that's total crap. The VSFS is a lingerie show, therefore it should show some skin. It's not like we're pushing for a naked-segment
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 02:33:58
When you design VSFS outfits for so many years, you kinda get the notion every outfit must look big. Normal lingerie and some accessories is not enough anymore. Wings and trains must serve for that vision e.g. last year's opening theme was full of wings and trains. Only Adri's and Julia's outfits were "normal"
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 02:14:22
I'm anxious to see the aquatic theme. I also design VSFS outfits as a hobby and came up with an aquatic theme last year and there's actually A LOT of inspiration. Hope Todd bothered to do much research to make the best out of this theme
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 01:52:17
what bothers me more is that she got three outfits and the ugliest one of course happens to be the opening outfit
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 01:50:38
^well, that's because the outfits got less revealing in general, i guess
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 00:55:48
I hope Gracie will make it... recently, I'm diggin this girl - and she was one of the few girls who knew how to walk on that Jewel-song last year
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 00:48:26
why should Emanuela's confirmation means Flavia is also confirmed???
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 00:47:42
I only liked Winberg in 2005. I'm seriously wondering what the VS people see in her. Especially when she attends the casting without any make-up... she looks so forgettable and anything but sexy
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 00:29:47
"craptacular" hahaha
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Toni made it????? Malloy, you made my day with that screencap
VSfan88 5 Nov 2011 00:20:42
btw: image image i like Stam's pic... it looks like the last picture before the big fall (but after all she didn't fall)
VSfan88 4 Nov 2011 06:59:06
According to Dutch Marie Claire and Grazia, Milou and Marloes will also walk this year. Reliable source? idk
VSfan88 4 Nov 2011 05:00:33
^they just assume that because models #46 and #47 have quite frankly big thighs (for model-standards of course)
VSfan88 4 Nov 2011 04:30:07
No, just someone on tfs thinks that on the fitting board there's one name that could read Nnenna
VSfan88 3 Nov 2011 21:53:28
... seems like, no matter in which time zone I am, I kinda missed the "rush hour" when everyone is posting like buckwild. I'm kinda disappointed in Doutzen. Seems like she got back to her she-hulk physique. That didn't take long
VSfan88 3 Nov 2011 03:30:45
As much as I love KK, but I was always for a former angel not to walk the show.
VSfan88 1 Nov 2011 10:24:27
well there is a lil hope that we'll get rid of Chanel soon. She was barely mentioned in press releases about who will walk the show.
VSfan88 1 Nov 2011 06:51:26
I hope the five real angels (Candice, Adri, Ale, Doutzen and Miranda) open a segment each and then PINK obviously by Behati.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2011 11:04:58
models that are known to have attended casting so far (Angels not included): Aline Weber · Alyssa Miller · Anaís Mali · Anja Rubik · Anna Jagodzinska · Anna Selezneva · Anne Vyalitsyna · Arlenis Sosa Peña · Barbara Beluco · Bette Franke · Bregje Heinen · Britt Maren · Chrishelle Stubbs · Cinita Dicker · Constance Jablonski · Elsa Hosk · Emanuela de Paula · Eniko Mihalik · Frida Gustavsson · Gertrud Hegelund · Gracie Carvalho · Izabel Goulart · Jasmine Tookes · Jessica Stam · Jessica White · Josephine Skriver · Jourdan Dunn · JuJu Ivanyuk · Karlie Kloss · Karmen Pedaru · Karolina Kurkova · Katsia Damankova · Laís Ribeiro · Lily Donaldson · Linda Vojtova · Liu Wen · Magdalena Frackowiak · Marloes Horst · Maryna Linchuk · Milou Sluis · Nicole Trunfio · Sara Sampaio · Shanina Shaik · Shannan Click · Sui He · Terese Pagh
VSfan88 31 Oct 2011 10:59:43
btw, I don't wanna imagine how it would have ended if Candice had been wearing those harp wings with that clown (=Akon) being all over the place
VSfan88 31 Oct 2011 10:58:57
well, on one hand I think the VS people shouldn't only think "wings - bigger, bigger" but also consider if a stick-skinny person like a model can put those on and walk with them. But on the other hand I think modeling is all about being professional. So Candice should have pulled through instead of being "I will make it" and then chicken out when the big time had come.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2011 01:04:41
^cool, even though red color lenses would have fit better. Did Ale attend Heidi's Halloween party?
VSfan88 30 Oct 2011 09:40:34
whereisthewine: that must be Heidi right?
Aleryna: yes, I second that! Please cast Toni! Even though I don't even know if she attended the casting as of yet
VSfan88 29 Oct 2011 11:14:17
any news about Toni attending this year's casting?
VSfan88 29 Oct 2011 11:14:03
oh man, seeing Juju in this year's casting is like a little dream came true that I thought would always remain a dream. I've been following this girl's career when she was still working for her big break on the runway and only got booked for some shows at London Fashion Week.
VSfan88 28 Oct 2011 18:20:29
@malloy: I think so. I mean, it's kinda unfair that he designs all the outfits but it's other people who decide which model will be chosen to wear them
VSfan88 28 Oct 2011 03:17:27
@malloy: no, here's the funny thing. Julia wasn't talking about most of the model but about herself. The question was: "You wouldn't starve yourself because you already set the money for your life?" and she: "Set money for the rest of my life? oh, no. Many people have wrong imaginations about the modelbusiness and the amount of the money".
VSfan88 27 Oct 2011 23:35:22
^that's Nina Agdal
VSfan88 27 Oct 2011 23:26:53
Or is it because VS is not high fashion enough? At first, I thought a Daria or a Natalia would not walk VSFS because it's simply a show. Neither both of them would also suddenly appear during fashion week at this point of their career (unless it's exclusive stuff or whatever). But then I thought that VSFS pays very well unlike FW-shows. I don't know how much VS pays for walking the show but Alek was reportedly paid 40,000$ when she walked the 2001 show. Sometimes more than an ad campaign. So if it isn't for the money or the exposure, then how to decide which job is "good enough"? So my only conclusion - if it's high fashion-prestige enough
VSfan88 27 Oct 2011 22:19:31
no, I'm sure Raquel is rolling in the money (maybe that forbes-thing made it sound like I'm not) but don't take Doutzen's word as the norm. Doutzen was also saying she could end up being a model if she was living the simple life on a farm as she pictured. How much money do you need for that lifestyle? Not necessarily that much. And Julia Stegner said (in the same interview that reportedly confirmed her for this year's show) that people think that models make more money than they actually do and Julia also appeared in plenty of ads (not that I'm comparing her to Raquel and Lara - they certainly are on another level)
VSfan88 27 Oct 2011 21:53:19
Still don't get it. Girls like Lara and Raquel might be big but according to forbes (don't know how accurate that list is though) only Lara is currently making the big bucks and that's also only of her CK-contract. Raquel just might have the title of "fashion icon" but a title itself doesn't bring in the cash flow unlike if you walk the VS show. If models like Lara and Raquel think that walking the show would not have a real effect on their career, then which jobs do?
VSfan88 27 Oct 2011 21:44:58
Dennis is right. The article says that "reportedly [...REPORTEDLY] Julia Stegner, 26, was asked, if she could walk the always fabulous lingerie show by Victoria's Secret in November. Certainly she can"
That was in the intro of the article before the actual interview begins. It wasn't even a question in the interview. Some tfs people who (most definitely) can't read German blew it out of proportion and made it look like Julia was already confirmed. That's how rumors start!
VSfan88 27 Oct 2011 21:37:53
I always think it's kinda irritating when someone says "this/that model is too big for the VS show"... come on, the VS show might be a joke for many people but it's still the biggest fashion show out there and it pays well
VSfan88 26 Oct 2011 04:25:12
without a doubt, Emanuela's entrance in the wild things-segment was THE highlight of last year's show
VSfan88 26 Oct 2011 01:23:44
yeah, Fernanda was always great for VS... the way she played with her hair in the sexy toys-segment was just the perfect amount of playfulness. I didn't like Vox populi just because some children voices singing in the background doesn't give it more of an "ethnic, tribal" vibe to the segment. Everyone doesn't like the country girls-song but actually it's good to walk to. To "Vox populi", however, NOT very much
VSfan88 25 Oct 2011 09:00:02
and not to mention it has the perfect beat to walk on it
VSfan88 25 Oct 2011 08:59:37
^exactly, at first i really hated it but then I started diggin' it and now it's my fav segment from last year's show
VSfan88 25 Oct 2011 05:58:23
I just hope for songs that fit the segment... I mean, that rock song to "Wild things"?? Epic fail
VSfan88 24 Oct 2011 23:34:25
yeah, I thought it was Candice at first, too
VSfan88 24 Oct 2011 23:28:57
@Eugeniafan: Karolina had a heavier physique back in 2008 because she suffered from hypothyroidism... so it's a lil ignorant to write she was "FAT"
VSfan88 24 Oct 2011 23:26:59
^No one is questioning that
VSfan88 24 Oct 2011 23:24:37
^I hope Edita gets that spot but I gotta admit (even though she's my fav model) that she's quite forgettable with her poses on the VS runway
VSfan88 23 Oct 2011 12:33:43
well I read the article and it says "she reportedly got an offer to walk the show"... so it's not a 100%
VSfan88 23 Oct 2011 02:33:21
I missed a steady angel line-up. The first was Stephanie, Karen, Daniela, Tyra and Heidi. Then the latter two remained with girls like Gisele, Adriana, Ale/KK (which unfortunately didn't last very long). Now there's a new group (Adri, Ale, Doutzen, Miranda and Candice) and I wanna see them doing something together and ONLY them... no inclusion of the 2nd hand angels (Lily, Erin, Chanel, Behati and Lindsay) ... please - for once!
VSfan88 22 Oct 2011 10:58:25
^I would say none of them since they both ain't runway regulars or have been before. If they make it, they must be extremely lucky
VSfan88 22 Oct 2011 08:41:55
I don't think Miranda will leave - she's at the height of her career - both commercially and in high fashion. So no reason to take a step back unless she wants to put her private life at the very first
VSfan88 22 Oct 2011 01:47:14
I think no one hates Lily A or even Chanel. But if those girls are the ones who get chosen to embody the "sexy, curvy, womanly" image that VS still claims they look for in a model, then of course it's irritating because they most def don't fit that image
VSfan88 21 Oct 2011 11:15:15
I'm 99% sure that we'll get rid of Chanel next year because she starts to be only mentioned sometimes in press releases about who's gonna be in this year's show
VSfan88 21 Oct 2011 07:46:15
@Aleryna: exactly "EXCLUSIVE info"
VSfan88 21 Oct 2011 07:45:50
I never liked it that some girls only get the chance to walk one time. Sorry Evang18, but you seem to be the only person disliking Gracie because I also think that she was a good addition to the show and without a doubt one of the most beautiful girls last year.
VSfan88 20 Oct 2011 10:46:56
what? on tfs-site the VSFS 2011-thread is going crazy and here's it's like SILENCE!
VSfan88 19 Oct 2011 10:33:36
I knew that Candice would open... VS is trying to push her for bigger things like they did with Adriana when she opened the 2003 show, even though Gisele was a always the one to do so.
VSfan88 18 Oct 2011 08:54:54
well, all we know so far is that Kanye and Maroon 5 will perform but is yet unknown which of their songs will be performed or be used for a segment
VSfan88 18 Oct 2011 04:40:10
still no newer news about this year's show? actually, i think it's great - it makes the show appears so new... i mean, we got a lot of fitting pics from the 2008 show and we almost knew the entire cast of last year's show, so the surprises were low and the expectations too high - i think that's why the recent shows could never really please most of us
VSfan88 18 Oct 2011 04:34:30
everyone on tfs are like this and that model can't walk the show because they are 17... but dorothea was 17 when she walked the 2009 show
VSfan88 14 Oct 2011 01:20:31
@T.G.: Come on, they let Erin, Lindsey, Lily and Chanel be Angels. You can't expect a lot of intelligent moves from VS
VSfan88 12 Oct 2011 06:45:41
I'm 99% sure that Kanye will perform with the models walking... me don't like it
VSfan88 11 Oct 2011 20:32:17
uuurgh... please don't tell me that Ale is pregnant now! I was hoping for all the real angels (Adri, Ale, Doutzen and Miranda) to be united again
VSfan88 11 Oct 2011 20:29:55
OMFG, Kanye and Maroon 5?? Seriously?? That must the most predictable choice ever! BORING! VS knows how to attract the "boo-factor"
VSfan88 11 Oct 2011 00:01:14
^I totally agree about that cheap-part. A model should have something classy, a little bit of an unapprochable charisma. Kate and Damaris will very unlikely walk the show because SI models normally get rejected
VSfan88 9 Oct 2011 03:26:04
please, anybody that thinks Heidi is flabby or thick must seen her in the 09 show for the last time.
everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Julia S and Winberg ... come on, they must be those girls that are doing constantly the same poses on the runway and are super-forgettable (Winberg! - i only liked her in the '05 show)
Tyra's last show coincided with the 10th anniversary show - that's why the big last walk... That shouldn't be expected from every angel that leaves. She got her big walk purely by perfect timing.
VSfan88 8 Oct 2011 10:43:35
please no more Winberg and Julia Stegner - they don't add anything special to the show's vibe but I can see Stegner returning since VS always has awful outfits that fit her.
Heidi is not flabby in her stomach area. Her naturally very wide hips and her belly button let her stomach appear quite out of proportions.
VSfan88 7 Oct 2011 02:45:19
Jessica Gomes (not Gomez btw ) is one of my favs but I highly doubt she will get such a big gig like an angel-contract. Her body is way too out of proportion and especially for nowaday's VS standards of what's sexy
VSfan88 7 Oct 2011 02:42:55
I wouldn't say VS would be a step down for Rosie - rather a backup. I mean, she might had a leading role in one of the most successful movies of all times but it didn't really require outstanding acting skills which means she still needs to proof herself as a serious actress.
VSfan88 6 Oct 2011 03:24:03
nah, I highly doubt VS got rid of Rosie because she's an "actress only" now. Tyra also transitioned to so many fields and yet VS kept her as their golden child. Rosie might try to distance herself from modelling but people still know her as a model turned actress.
VSfan88 6 Oct 2011 00:01:33
^well that would've been a poor exit!
VSfan88 4 Oct 2011 11:33:52
and that kinda confirms that Rosie is no longer an angel
VSfan88 4 Oct 2011 11:32:10
so this is the angel line-up 2011:
So Behati is still in the game and DAMN... Chanel, too
VSfan88 4 Oct 2011 03:10:12
I hope nobody is even slightly considering to bother us with wishes like: "I hope Gisele/Daria will walk this year... even though I highly doubt it" it's like wishing male models to walk VSFS - never gonna happen
VSfan88 4 Oct 2011 02:59:09
haha, it would be too much to let it rain from above... something like bubbles would be enough to get the underwater-theme across
VSfan88 3 Oct 2011 01:27:15
cool fantasy bra... kinda reminiscent to heidi's closing outfit in 2008 though... but thx god it's not that bra we all thought it was the fb and it looked like a sportsbra
VSfan88 27 Sep 2011 05:44:46
no, Leticia wanted to help Fernanda but she might thought "no, just continue posing like nothing's happening" and it looked stupid not mean, when she still had her hands on her waist
VSfan88 25 Sep 2011 10:30:07
@Nathan: it was in that live chat when Monica served as the interviewer and Chanel said something like: "My wings were so heavy like 40 lb" and Monica was like: "and you're like 50lb?"
VSfan88 25 Sep 2011 01:32:40
I think most of the times girls don't make it because there aren't outfits that suit their looks. I can imagine Constance only making it because she fit the country girls-outfit perfectly. And her pink outfit, however, was sooo random. So I'd rather seen my favorites like Toni being rejected than having to wear such horrible outfit like Jacquelyn's outfit (even though she made it work) or Fabiana's outfit (I could totally see her in Izabel's heavenly bodies-outfit)
VSfan88 25 Sep 2011 01:27:09
I think, Monica doesn't like Chanel that much. She was kinda dissin' Chanel when Chanel said her wings were so heavy.
VSfan88 24 Sep 2011 01:47:25
I don't think the Ralph Lauren contract is restricted to New York but to every American brand
VSfan88 22 Sep 2011 23:59:23
@erin; no, sometimes VS uses some lingerie from their "normal line" for the fashion show. For example, Doutzen's outfit in the explosion scene of the x-mas commercial 2009 was part of Heidi's enchanted forest outfit or KK's first outfit in the 2006 show was nothing but just the IPEX bra with that metal corset
VSfan88 21 Sep 2011 10:02:26
I kinda have the feeling that she's taking a pause because it's too much for her to keep being skinny. She's not naturally skinny. It was a brief scandal in the Swiss media when it came out that she had to lose 7 kilos in order to start off in Paris.
VSfan88 21 Sep 2011 00:08:38
nah, Arizona is not just a pretty girl. I do see some model in her. It's just what Tyra would say: She is a model (the noun) but she can't model (the verb)
VSfan88 20 Sep 2011 10:20:50
Opener: Candice
Closer: Adriana
Fantasy Bra: Miranda (I thought it was pretty much sure she will get it this year)
Segments: 6 (Of course)
Performance: Lady GaGa (Please, no Nicki Minaj - I HATE her)
Songs: Please nothing too obviously commercial
Themes: (Judging from the sketches we've seen so far) Spanish theme, Gothic and PINK
VSfan88 20 Sep 2011 00:23:57
http://nymag.com/fashion/models/rhuntington/rosiehuntington/ says that Rosie signed a 3-years-contract with VS in late 2009. That must mean her contract would expire not until 2012. But honestly, I think they just wrote 3 years-contract because it's assumed that every Angel gets a 3-years-contract rather than it's true research by themselves ... well, her departure is still a rumor but the departure-rumors with past Angels always turned out to be true so far
VSfan88 20 Sep 2011 00:11:53
and she's not included in this year's x-mas commercial right? I don't need a know-it-all to tell me Ale didn't appear in last year's x-max commercial cos that must have been an exception
VSfan88 20 Sep 2011 00:01:06
^not yet but here and then magazines refer to Rosie as "former Victoria's Secret model"
VSfan88 19 Sep 2011 04:37:56
I don't know about Sasha - yes, it's a fact that she photographs beautifully but who knows how photoshopped they are and when seeing Sasha in motion, she's not even half as hot as she looks like in her pictures. Plus, her walk sucks
VSfan88 18 Sep 2011 05:26:02
I know, she was never a VS model, but Swiss model Julia Saner decided to take a break from modelling... indefinitely
VSfan88 18 Sep 2011 02:15:47
kinda random that Andi appeared in the vid but nice to see her in something at least
VSfan88 16 Sep 2011 13:39:13
@malloy: got it, you buzzkill
VSfan88 16 Sep 2011 08:59:18
^ooh that sorry-ass again. I'm so sure that's a feminist
VSfan88 16 Sep 2011 01:43:08
^the same old story again, huh? This ridiculous hate for VS is super-embarrasing
VSfan88 14 Sep 2011 04:55:31
The stats on Doutzen's show card weren't converted rightly. 1,77m is not 5'9" but 5'9.5". Her measurements 86-62-88 are in inches 34-24.5-34.75 and not 33-24-34. That person who did that should be fired!
VSfan88 11 Sep 2011 10:03:46
yeah, I mean both of them have the same skin tone and body type. That's all with the similiarities to me. Just like Erin and Lindsay!
VSfan88 11 Sep 2011 05:54:38
Personally, I don't see any similiarity between Ale and Iza but I do agree that it was sort of a mistake to let Iza and Selita become Angels.
VSfan88 8 Sep 2011 21:44:57
hmmm... Miranda looks kinda odd on the cover so as Adriana Both can look so much better! Adriana has been a mystery to me as of lately. Sometimes she pulls off the look of her 2003-2005 days and then suddenly she looks weird like around 2007
VSfan88 8 Sep 2011 13:03:26
^like I said "maybe for the show" but that's mainly because VS does look for girls who are runway regulars. Girls that started walking for VS like Edita, Constance or Aminata had a great RTW-season right before the show. Of course, a runway-nobody gets lucky once in a while (Lily Aldridge *cough, cough*) and you can always tell the difference. Heidi must be the only girl that has a great walk without being a runway-regular ever
VSfan88 8 Sep 2011 10:04:02
@Nathan: I think 2006 was sort of a step back for most of the fans. 2005 was obviously a stunning show and i think nobody questions that. So the 2006-show had enormous shoes to fill. Personally I think the 2006 was also a step-back and with the 2007 show it began that the unique VS-music was replaced by more commercial music and so-so remixes. 2008 was a huge downfall in that department. I liked the 2009-music (except the Leona Lewis-piece) but the show felt sort of cheap and i can't really point out where in particular. Some of the outfits were stellar like in the last segment (I mean, Miranda's outfit - perfection). It didn't really had a too precise theme so the costumes didn't feel to costumy as well.
VSfan88 8 Sep 2011 09:56:40
VS doesn't really distance themselves with SI. Maybe for the show but overall not, because most of the SI-girls have done VS before.
VSfan88 8 Sep 2011 09:53:54
i don't think that VS tried to get Daria around 2007. Daris signed her Lancome-contract in 2005 so it must have been around that time that VS and Lancome were trying to get her
VSfan88 8 Sep 2011 09:52:48
i don't get it when people think that the wild things-segment was sort of racist just because they used so many girls of color in that segment... bet that people would also have protest when only white girls were used for that segment!?
VSfan88 7 Sep 2011 10:53:26
@malloy: maybe VS is revamping their older themes... last year, starting with the wild things-segment which was similiar to one segment of the 2002 show.
VSfan88 7 Sep 2011 10:52:00
^totally agree with you! I'm also totally enchanted by her! Looking through the last three pages, I gotta say that I find it weird that Rosie is no longer an Angel... wasn't she supposedly made one in late 2009... that would make her running time only 1 1/2 years . Btw, I saw one interview with Selita and she said she was an Angel for 5 years (???), At last, NICE to the possibility that Chanel was given the boot and to the sketch of the spanish-looking outfit.
VSfan88 30 Aug 2011 16:08:34
meeeh... I don't think Andi will be there... she had her time like girls like Morgane, Inguna etc. The fashion world moved on from them
VSfan88 27 Aug 2011 21:04:22
@evang18: That model you're asking for is, to my surprise, SI model Quiana Grant - I knew she did VS before but I never knew she was even chosen to do VS promo
VSfan88 25 Aug 2011 12:24:31
thx JLovesB for that vid but watching it... Adri's English was sooo limited!
VSfan88 22 Aug 2011 05:48:52
seeing those pictures it's kinda like deja vu. The outfits and the wings - pretty similiar to last year
VSfan88 19 Aug 2011 05:47:11
Since Behati and Katsia don't have fully angel-contracts, I don't expect them to get more than the last piece of the cake. And wasn't it reported once that Jessica Hart also signed a VS contract... if so, she didn't even get a piece of the cake at all
VSfan88 19 Aug 2011 05:43:59
yep, Adriana also confirmed this year's show will be in NY in that "Good day New York"-interview.
VS has always brought some non-Angels into the spotlight like Ana Hickman, Ana Beatriz, Oluchi or Angela. I think just to spice it up a lil bit and not to play confusing games
VSfan88 17 Aug 2011 06:19:44
wow it's been a while that I had to go one page back... anyway, no one hates Lindsay, Erin, Lily (more or less) and Chanel (more or less)... they just don't fit VS - especially the way they insist they always make sure to book curvy models. Even though I also don't like Lily for VS, I gotta admit that she looked hot in last year's x-mas commercial on the bed.
@klm: Of course Adri and Ale seem to look old - in between those stick-skinny GIRLS (not women) VS is hiring like they got them all for one price
VSfan88 15 Aug 2011 06:08:23
eew... Michael Bay again? He always tries to impress with helicoptres and explosions here and explosions there but in the end no x-mas feeling... always BIG FAILURE - MEEEEEH!!! It's always just showy and shallow... I miss x-mas commercials like 2008 or other commercials. They also had beautiful songs like "Ted and Marion", "Gong" or "Stroker Ace" and not some brainless stomping.
VSfan88 14 Aug 2011 15:10:18
I wished only Adriana, Doutzen, Candice, Miranda and Alessandra would be in it (the real Angels)
VSfan88 14 Aug 2011 09:43:07
seems like they do but Emanuela also was pushed as a new VS girl before... and then she was pretty reserved in a promotional interview for the Body of Victoria and she missed the 09 show because of another job. Enough reasons then for VS to give her the boot. If Lais will do the same, she will be out of VS radar as well.
VSfan88 14 Aug 2011 09:07:46
damn, I hate the fact that Erin is such a VS favorite... I'm pretty sure Ale will be in this year's xmas commercial. She had to make room last year for the comeback of Adriana, so Adriana was the big star in the center around pretty much nobodys
VSfan88 12 Aug 2011 14:47:54
stardom-opportunity for yet another model http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/news/models/project-runway-says-goodbye-to-heidi-klum.htm
VSfan88 12 Aug 2011 10:41:42
@T.G.: Thx
VSfan88 11 Aug 2011 09:23:19
or anybody else?
VSfan88 11 Aug 2011 09:23:12
@T.G.: I tried to save the VSFS DVD-files on my external hard disk but it says the files are too large even though I got enough disk space. I think it's because they are ISO-files but do you know any possibilities how to save them nonetheless?
VSfan88 11 Aug 2011 03:25:02
An Angel-contract most def offers much more exposure than other mentioned contracts, but I also think to be a VS angel demands a lot of skills to sell your personality like Tyra and Heidi effortlessly could. Doutzen, however, has a problem with that and I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Some people know how to act in front of the camera, while others just become different than they are in private. I can see this as a major reason why Doutzen reluctantly got signed as an Angel. But she's far better than someone like stardom-craving Selita. I personally felt embarassed for her when she participated in that one show "celebrity apprentice" or however it is called, most probably just to keep her name out there.
VSfan88 10 Aug 2011 17:22:25
^ well, probably you have heard before that "Supermodels" like Naomi, Christy and Linda don't exist anymore. So basically (expect for Gisele) all the "supermodels of today" shouldn't count as supermodels. Otherwise all names are accurate and I would also count Heidi and Tyra. Tyra to the supermodels of the past and Heidi between past and today - just like Liya, Laetitia, Natalia and Elsa. I would add Sharlom, Eva, Shiraz, Judit and Yasmin LeBon to the supermodels of the past. And Candice, with her recent successes in both high fashion and commerical, as supermodel of the future
VSfan88 10 Aug 2011 07:52:02
I'm kinda curious to know how they will style Adriana for this year's show. Last year, the hair and especially the make-up looked so bad on her. I hope they can style her like in the interview
VSfan88 9 Aug 2011 16:08:56
and she learned a new word - "literally"
VSfan88 9 Aug 2011 16:01:56
Adriana looks AMAZING in that interview - like her glory days (2003-2005)
VSfan88 8 Aug 2011 09:39:10
I just went through victoriassecret.com and I barely saw Chanel... does that mean she's (hopefully) out very soon?
VSfan88 7 Aug 2011 06:30:16
@Morgan: The model really looks like Rianne ten Haken, but I'm not sure because I think Rianne has never done VS before
@bananas: It's "Rest" by Temper trap
VSfan88 3 Aug 2011 07:32:16
ok now I saw the photos from her back... yuk
VSfan88 3 Aug 2011 07:31:03
Didn't Erin always look like that?
VSfan88 2 Aug 2011 06:43:10
The creator of the list obviously just chose models that have done either SI or VS (or both)... not very creative
VSfan88 1 Aug 2011 15:16:23
^What makes sense to us, doesn't apply to VS people
VSfan88 26 Jul 2011 05:43:08
i don't think, Adriana got the FB one time too many. Considering Heidi got it like 3 times.
VSfan88 22 Jul 2011 16:29:24
has this already been posted? Candice finally among the top 50 women on models.com http://models.com/model_culture/50topmodels/top50.cfm?model_id=6769#6769
VSfan88 19 Jul 2011 09:43:44
@Maryna: Yasmin LeBon's runway and ad repertoire is similiar to Gisele's and please remember: Yasmin's profile may be more detailed than Naomi's or Cindy's for instance, but it's still not complete... and it's kinda creepy, if you really counted every single magazine cover just to have a number for the comparison but good 2 know though
VSfan88 18 Jul 2011 04:11:09
Maryna is not an Angel because her English is quite limited
Gisele's profile on fashionmodeldirectory seems to be THE ONE because the profiles of 90's supermodels ARE NOT complete because it's tough to find lists of model cast of the 90's etc. Yasmin LeBon's profile is kinda complete and there you can see, it's similiar to Gisele's.
VSfan88 16 Jul 2011 08:50:24
@ T.G.: Thalita de Oliveira is actually a name of a existing model (just never did VS) among the other names
VSfan88 16 Jul 2011 08:49:37
^oh man, I remembered when I had that debate with a wiki-User because of those names and he sternly insisted they were part of the VS cast because imdb.com (his holy source) said so and I don't even know why wiki let someone like him to observe the article who's clearly not someone who watches and recognizes the girls on the runway like we do
VSfan88 16 Jul 2011 06:55:05
@Morgan: idk which list you're refering to but Landi is in the "List of Victoria's secret models", including models who walked the runway or/and did catalog, too and Landi did the latter one.
VSfan88 14 Jul 2011 11:19:38
1. CHANEL IMAN 2. LILY ALDRIDGE 3. LINDSAY ELLINGSON for obvious reasons! how about naming also which models should be def made angels one day? My wishes 1. EDITA 2. EDITA 3. EDITA
VSfan88 14 Jul 2011 04:52:36
wow, in that Burberry campaign Rosie looks exactly like Candice
VSfan88 14 Jul 2011 04:52:02
^man, she was almost gone for a year and they removed her on the site not until yesterday... yeah, VS people are slow in getting something - that's why Lily, Erin, Lindsay and Chanel are still "Angels".
VSfan88 13 Jul 2011 03:55:53
@T.G.: Can you tell me where I can find the DVD versions of the show.... I can't find them with the new layout anymore
VSfan88 11 Jul 2011 15:35:14
yes, people magazine also calls Rosie a former Victoria's secret model
VSfan88 10 Jul 2011 15:07:55
no I hope the crappy photoshopping can be discovered
VSfan88 9 Jul 2011 06:14:20
If they'd care about Ale that much, they would've given her the fb by now also. Anyway, a pic showing another photoshop low á la VS
VSfan88 9 Jul 2011 03:00:23
but yeah Miranda 4 VS! I'm so happy none of those girls (Lily, Lindsay, Chanel, Erin and Rosie?) got it that no one is sure of if their are actually Angels or not.
VSfan88 9 Jul 2011 02:50:32
oh god, it really looks like a sports bra and I don't wanna believe that's the fb, but it's true that they always have it on the black mannequin
VSfan88 6 Jul 2011 02:10:21
I think Heidi pretty much retired after her Angel-contract ended
VSfan88 6 Jul 2011 02:08:30
yeah, must be one of the angels who were pregnant last year but I don't see with what Miranda and Doutzen had their big comebacks with? They just started to work again. "Big comeback" is something like Adriana had.
VSfan88 5 Jul 2011 02:45:07
From the pics, I also like Dior couture... may not be Galliano again but has some references to his style and it looks more obvious like a couture show than Valli's for example.
VSfan88 3 Jul 2011 10:03:37
and I never doubted transformer movies! They are brainless as hell content-wise but it redeems itself with the action it offers
VSfan88 3 Jul 2011 10:02:49
@Aleryna: that's sometimes more true than true! Anybody knows "Watchmen"? That was a critics' favorite but it was just hours of blah and boredom
VSfan88 2 Jul 2011 08:53:32
Because film critics think "God, another model trying to act... let me take her down" and VSholics think "Rosie is a VS Angel. It's only her first movie - so let's be fair". Does it sound kinda reasonable? And do JLovesD and JLovesB know each other??
VSfan88 1 Jul 2011 01:09:57
^you have to ask someone to send it to you because that clip was removed on youtube
VSfan88 29 Jun 2011 03:47:44
so when they go to all those premieres, they have to watch the movie like several days in a row??
VSfan88 28 Jun 2011 00:13:40
Miranda is her friend.. just not her best friend
VSfan88 28 Jun 2011 00:12:43
^ use tinypic.com and the problem is solved
VSfan88 27 Jun 2011 02:32:10
I also wish that Toni will walk this year alongside Julia Saner. According to twitter, Todd showed Candice a drawing of an outfit for this year's show and of course she said it looked amazing!
VSfan88 26 Jun 2011 12:34:58
some other pics of Toni 4 VS... she got curvier
VSfan88 26 Jun 2011 03:50:21
quite a nice pic.... the light is not really flattering on Magda's face though. and Chanel is perfect for PINK! I just hate her guts for the mainline because she clearly doesn't belong there
VSfan88 25 Jun 2011 05:50:17
she was still named an Angel in an article of i-D magazine may 2011 issue - so she's still much in the Angel game
VSfan88 25 Jun 2011 00:36:06
Lisalla Montenegro, another model who tried out in last year's VSFS casting, started modeling for VS
VSfan88 25 Jun 2011 00:35:30
wow Candice!!
VSfan88 24 Jun 2011 12:54:25
"when I was a model" - really? Rosie should hold on with such statements. She just starred in one big movie which is not even out yet. Definitely too early to abandon modelling
VSfan88 24 Jun 2011 00:00:08
My top 5 runway music during following segments:
1.Sexy kitten
2.Sexy santa helpers
3.Enchanted forest (with "Finding beauty" of course!!)
4.Sexy shadow dream
5.PINK 2010
VSfan88 22 Jun 2011 07:27:43
because of pictures like that one, I like Adriana so much.
VSfan88 21 Jun 2011 07:14:35
.... wow.... seems like Bar + Leo = definitely over
VSfan88 21 Jun 2011 04:01:37
speaking of Prada and haute couture - Why is it something you move on with?? I thought high-profile jobs can never hurt or is it like you get even less paid for doing haute couture? And can someone tell me what Resort shows are good for? I never really got the purpose of it... is it like Pre-Spring shows???
VSfan88 21 Jun 2011 03:59:33
I also think Anja doesn't like to do VS because she's self-conscious. She did say in an backstage interview of the VSFS '09 that she wanted to have this and that covered (including her booty) and that she basically wanted to have an outfit
VSfan88 21 Jun 2011 03:56:31
god, that must have given those tfs snobs an orgasmic feeling when Anja said she doesn't like doing VS (is there like an evidence in b/w or some "insider" info?)
VSfan88 20 Jun 2011 06:55:47
I also like Liu in the Dolce & Gabbana ad - it shows a new perspective of her look I've never seen of her before. Along with Jac, my fav in the pic
But hey - surprise: No David in the men's ad
VSfan88 17 Jun 2011 00:12:04
^that just shows how versatile she is
VSfan88 15 Jun 2011 10:44:03
well, when Tanya D who's not that in demand anymore can afford to live in a villa, then of course Raquel must be a millionaire
VSfan88 13 Jun 2011 05:09:38
@malloy: OMG! You just made my day
VSfan88 11 Jun 2011 05:39:35
why everyone is assuming Rosie will stop doing VS? Just because she landed the role in the transformers movie? I mean, one movie doesn't make you the next Halle Berry and we haven't seen her performance yet also
VSfan88 7 Jun 2011 13:27:33
how can Emma Watson be taller than Rosie?
VSfan88 7 Jun 2011 03:12:33
^because these people are miserably jealous. They comment on the brand VS like it's worth nothing, because they know in the end of the day when they go to bed that they worth nothing themselves. And tell me which model end up being nowhere after doing VS?? Saying things like " cause of VS Caroline Trentini, Lily D went nowhere" - "yeah and Agyness and Toni Garrn always went nowhere because of VS - even though they never did VS"... it's the reality - models come and go, you stupid LiranYana. Give me a break from all these kiddies .
VSfan88 6 Jun 2011 11:14:04
hahaha oh god... you can just feel nothing but pity for those tfs snobs. Sasha just did a random VS shoot like thousand other hf models did before and they are talking about the end of her hf career like she was contracted to become an Angel..
VSfan88 6 Jun 2011 11:04:05
yeah, Rosie is going to be the next big household name and VS people will flatter themselves like "we launched her career" and blah. I see it coming, I see it coming
VSfan88 1 Jun 2011 00:03:48
wow, Doutzen looks like a doll in the 1st picture -can't wait to see her in this year's show (please keep this body Doutzen )
VSfan88 31 May 2011 14:10:17
yeah, back then when Bianca did the 2005 show, she was one of the skinnier ones... now if she'd do the show, she would be one of the more curvier ones... that's how VSFS has changed - Victoria's Schoolgirls Fashion Show
VSfan88 31 May 2011 14:08:28
@malloy: exactly!
VSfan88 31 May 2011 00:54:34
@bahia: yeah, but what about now? Where Ed liking him some bony-same-looking-teenage girls? Next to Lindsay, Erin and Chanel, an Asian Angel wouldn't hurt
VSfan88 30 May 2011 07:19:20
yeah, poor black models and only one spot for them in the angel line-up... guess, how many Asian models got to be Angels... oh wait, there hasn't been even one ....
VSfan88 25 May 2011 00:28:04
I think Joan's walk is not always bad. Look at her walk in Dior SS 2011 - it was pretty ok and her little turn in the finale was fierce (to say it in Tyra's words).
VSfan88 24 May 2011 01:27:48
ewww Arizona... there's something about her eyes that freaks me out
VSfan88 24 May 2011 01:26:35
I would love to see JuJu Ivanyuk walking PINK. I've been following her career since her only days at London fashion week. That's why I'm happy for her final breakthrough last season but she has NO breasts. Like Freja has even bigger ones
VSfan88 21 May 2011 06:23:05
I like the cover... it has that 90's-supermodel vibe
VSfan88 18 May 2011 00:04:47
haha I really like Sessilee's bitchy face towards Lindsey... like "bitch, U should learn how to strutt your stuff like moi"
VSfan88 14 May 2011 03:46:23
seems like the SI cover does help Irina's fashion career. Now she opened Pronovias and also did a fashion show in Turkey. Not exactly Paris or Milan but before the cover she wasn't doing shows at all
VSfan88 14 May 2011 01:47:23
^Isn't it out of question that she will ever return to VS no matter if she has her own lingerie line or not?
@Ovevay: Candice also walked Animale FW 2011
VSfan88 13 May 2011 02:27:57
wow, I can imagine they had that special glow around them... and of course they are tall, especially with those heels in addition
VSfan88 12 May 2011 00:20:53
who's that guy next to Bianca?
VSfan88 11 May 2011 04:39:49
PS: here's the link http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/05/top-earning-models.html
VSfan88 11 May 2011 04:39:32
would've been nice from you to post the link... anyway, nice to see Candice - seems like that confirms her as a "true" Angel next to the likes of Adri, Ale, Doutzen and Miranda (and Rosie??). I'm sick of seeing Heidi, Kate in the list again and again. They aren't really modelling anymore. Especially Heidi after her days as a VS Angel. Technically, Tyra could also be in the list.
VSfan88 5 May 2011 23:05:50
I'm pretty confident Doutzen will do some shows in the coming fashion week...?
VSfan88 5 May 2011 23:03:47
wow, Doutzen looks really nice but no way someone can top Candice's wasp waist
VSfan88 3 May 2011 23:46:51
thx dd, at least I bother to thank you
VSfan88 2 May 2011 23:59:53
is that s'ppose to be Constance next to Liu? And why Estee lauder twins? Just because they were contracted at the same time?
VSfan88 2 May 2011 04:50:56
well, she might got a lot of money from the campaigns she scored but I don't think she can already rest on her laurels when she maintains such luxurious life that her mansion indicates. I mean, she's still so young - she still has a long way to go with life
VSfan88 28 Apr 2011 23:45:25
because VS realized why signing those girls with a multimillion-contract to walk for us when they'd do it for less money anyway? Plus, they are "too old" to become angels - nowadays you need to be not more than 13 years old in order to become an Angel
VSfan88 28 Apr 2011 00:27:16
yeah, there used to be a site where they posted VS pics every month and for 03/2008 there was one picture of Ariel
VSfan88 28 Apr 2011 00:12:47
@malloy: Ariel has already worked for VS before
VSfan88 28 Apr 2011 00:12:29
models are the reason why the VSFS thread is closed? are they known models or just wanna-be jealous models (I guess wanna-be jealous models). Anyway, Chanel will be the worst Angel forever. Yeah, she may cried when she got her wings but she redeemed her bitchy-me when she said "hi i'm the Chanel Iman... yes, THEEEE Chanel Iman". It's funny how everybody agrees on Edita and Lais for Angels but yet the person (Ed) who's in charge of making models Angels shares totally different thoughts on who has the Angel-factor. It's so weird.
VSfan88 27 Apr 2011 00:22:31
yeah, Karl likes to be around his muses - in the 80's it was Ines de la Fressange, in the 90's Claudia Schiffer and now Brad, Sebastien, Baptiste, Freja, Lara etc. He's done with Edita and it seems like also with Toni
VSfan88 25 Apr 2011 07:33:58
Baptiste is what you call "a M-U-S-E" to Karl. His charisma just happened to be in favor of Karl's taste - no need to think of filthy ways how he got to become Karl's fav
VSfan88 21 Apr 2011 23:01:42
@malloy: you mean last year I guess
yeah kinda surprise as well since Anna J was stellar in the '09 show. Even though I've been rooting for Toni for a long time, she's now barely on the catwalk, doesn't score a lot of campaigns like she used to and she fell from no. 14 to nowhere in the top 50 list on models.com. I think she's kind of a one-hit wonder most visibly after her switch of agencies.
VSfan88 21 Apr 2011 09:52:27
hmm... in that pic Julia really resembles Doutzen but actually she looks VERY like Marie Nasemann, 2nd runner-up in the 4th season of Germany's next top model:
VSfan88 19 Apr 2011 23:28:44
I think Miranda looks great and she's now well stacked
VSfan88 18 Apr 2011 00:35:19
idk... I would prefer her to those children VS is trying to promote as "sexy" though
VSfan88 18 Apr 2011 00:32:06
yeah and we surely don't need one more, isn't it?
VSfan88 18 Apr 2011 00:27:54
I think Sasha has a horrible walk so there's no need to include her in the show by any means. I always thought Karlie is boring but now I get her appeal slowly.
VSfan88 4 Apr 2011 05:48:41
^because that's how I see Adriana after her pregnancy and once again - I like her the most from all the current angels but it's just her beauty is starting to fade away. Of course, it's normal that you can't look 22 forever but for example I think neither Ale nor Gisele have changed that much from let's say 2005 until now but Adri surely did.
VSfan88 3 Apr 2011 21:21:12
^that description rather fits to Adri
VSfan88 3 Apr 2011 01:34:51
oh gosh... by the time of the joke it was already april 2nd in here. So I didn't get it
VSfan88 1 Apr 2011 13:43:07
what the hell? So what's up next? Ken at No.1 in the top 50 male list? bad joke
VSfan88 1 Apr 2011 10:56:13
GUYS, I finally found that string-song which was mixed with "The man who can't be moved" for the enchanted forest-segment. It's called "Finding beauty" by Craig Armstrong or Escala respectively
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqk6OL6tcns by Escala
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2d3_qbhKBw&playnext=1&list=PL86022D9D586B5D8D by Craig Armstrong
VSfan88 30 Mar 2011 12:41:53
I hope that means that Lily is pregnant and that she can't walk this year's show.... mean, am I?
VSfan88 30 Mar 2011 11:37:31
yeah, I'm stunned to see Doutzen back in shape so quickly. Her body is most def better than before her she-hulk days. Though her breasts may be too large for high fashion, I'm happy her thighs aren't that big anymore
VSfan88 28 Mar 2011 23:52:38
VSfan88 28 Mar 2011 23:52:19
Even after 2 years, some ppl still can't believe KK didn't walk in the black tie holiday
VSfan88 25 Mar 2011 00:16:57
I think in 2008 Adri looked slamin' after a bit of a let-down in 2006-2007. I think her body now resembles Doutzen's she-hulk body and Idk why her jaw broadened so much, so it gave her a sort of a masculine feature. But I still like her the best among all the angels and the so-called one
VSfan88 24 Mar 2011 00:20:44
SI's rookie of the year 2011 Kate Upton is also doing VS now
VSfan88 24 Mar 2011 00:18:39
I think, while pregnancy made wonders for KK's body, it worsened Adri's (or Heidi's) body.
VSfan88 23 Mar 2011 06:01:40
I mean Lily D
VSfan88 23 Mar 2011 00:25:13
I just noticed in the "Heavelny bodies" section that Lily A was posing and in the next scene she already passed by Anja
VSfan88 6 Mar 2011 03:59:19
^yeah, she wrote on Twitter she will walk again but it turned out to be the second run of the Balenciaga show
VSfan88 5 Mar 2011 11:48:33
I think Candice is even 5'9" but that's minimum size for a model. Idk why ppl could possibly say she's short when there are other successful high fashion models like Sasha, Agyness, Edita, Bianca, Chanel (and the list goes on and on) with the same height of 5'8"-5'9"
VSfan88 5 Mar 2011 02:53:06
^She's doing Fendi, Blumarine and Dior - if that's not High fashion 4 U than you need to get your facts right
VSfan88 4 Mar 2011 23:14:57
I'm so proud of Candice for booking all these high profile-jobs. Once she scores a campaign, I'm sure, after Miranda and Ale, she will be in the Top 50-list on models.com
and I'm so happy that high fashion doesn't give Lily A the chance (yet?) like the other models for obvious reasons
someone wrote Lily A=Selita .... so true. All VS Angels or still have the VS image like Izabel are getting all these jobs expect for Lily A and Selita
VSfan88 27 Feb 2011 00:59:55
I think Tori Praver and Doutzen Kroes look alike a lot
VSfan88 26 Feb 2011 02:55:18
^that's becaue London fashion week is not really for a week but only 5-6 days.
VSfan88 24 Feb 2011 00:40:17
Did own research myself and here's latest photo of Doutzen
I think she looks great and her legs look very good (not so she-hulkish anymore)
and according to this article, Doutzen allegedly walked the Issa fashion show
tfs ppl think the model with the big hat is Doutzen but her face is almost covered entirely but that jaw looks very like Doutzen
VSfan88 23 Feb 2011 11:24:26
any news about Doutzen and Miranda? Are they currently working out to get their bodies back in shape?
VSfan88 23 Feb 2011 00:05:25
yeah, that Tayane girl won Ford's supermodel of the world contest (I think in 2009 or something like dat).
oh my, I'm also wondering why the hell Emanuela is not one of VS main girls anymore. In 2008 she was like in the x-mas commerical and the only non-angel to appear in best of-vid of the show, and I don't understand why she would prefer Next to VS. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't VS obviously bigger than Next?
VSfan88 21 Feb 2011 11:09:14
hmmm.. I never noticed that Jag resembles Carolyn Murphy a lot
VSfan88 20 Feb 2011 06:20:10
for those who noticed, Jewel's "What you are" was slighty edited for the VSFS. The VSFS version is slighty faster than the original and has an extension since the original song actually ends around the time when Anne V starts to walk. I tried to do the VSFS version and here's the result and off course T.G., I would like you to upload it to the music section
VSfan88 20 Feb 2011 05:16:54
VSfan88 17 Feb 2011 23:51:10
@T.G.: That must be Masha Novoselova
VSfan88 15 Feb 2011 00:53:58
better quality of the SI cover
VSfan88 14 Feb 2011 23:33:12
Because the phony VS people always say they want girls with lot of runway appearance (and in fact SI girls usually don't have) and then they go with girls like Lily A
VSfan88 13 Feb 2011 03:13:55
and that's what Mr. Razek tries to make us believe is sexy http://models.com/oftheminute/?p=27490&page=19#TitleAnchor... what a jerk
VSfan88 7 Feb 2011 11:03:24
@me: trust me, some of them do consider it as if their lives depend on it
VSfan88 5 Feb 2011 06:29:45
hmm... which leads to the question: T.G., will you include the show in the right order in the DVD?
VSfan88 2 Feb 2011 03:46:25
I think Liu would look much better if she would smile like in 2nd picture posted of her and not as usual - too much smirk
VSfan88 1 Feb 2011 04:43:16
as long it's a fashion model, I don't care if a high fashion model or commercial model is walking the runway
VSfan88 1 Feb 2011 02:28:48
Gisele sometimes can look like a man, but I wouldn't call her ugly at all
VSfan88 29 Jan 2011 23:58:33
So the true Angels now are Ale, Adri, Rosie, DK, Miranda and Candice or is that another question that can't be answered?
VSfan88 29 Jan 2011 22:53:46
At first, she was listed at 5'10" and then 5'9.5" and now sometimes only 5'9" or even 5'8"... whom to believe??
VSfan88 28 Jan 2011 21:54:43
WHAT A STUPID QUESTION!! http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/13/victorias-secret-angels-new-faces-vs-old-class-who-is-sexiest/?action=late-new&order
VSfan88 27 Jan 2011 09:29:04
yeah, I also considered that but the first show of J.LO's sweetface-line was freakin' awesome... so it's not really an excuse that it's their first show
VSfan88 27 Jan 2011 03:28:53
Just saw the etam show and it's rather the etam show that can learn more from VSFS than the other way round
VSfan88 26 Jan 2011 10:30:17
Does anyone know the name of the song Toni is playing on the piano in this vid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9viB26PR70
VSfan88 26 Jan 2011 10:30:00
@vibe: like I said, there will always be things that are not good enough and I don't think that everyone would like it if VSFS would be like etam. And excuse me, wings are the signature items of the VSFS!
@Oathkeeper6: Your drawing is drop dead gorgeous!
VSfan88 25 Jan 2011 10:02:51
there's nothing wrong with the VSFS. It's just not your normal fashion show and it has evolved into that over the top thing but I can't imagine VSFS being different or going back to the 2003-2005 style anyway. And by the way, VSFS also had that v-shaped runway and we know how the fans received it. What I'm saying is there will be always something that is not good enough.
VSfan88 19 Jan 2011 14:24:55
@rod-mex: wow, you just made my day! I love Adri in this commercial - the make-up-artist for the VSFS 2010 fooled me with letting me believe Adriana turned into Adri-jaw-na although her jaw is covered by her hair though Whateva, at least no Chanel Iman!
Btw, for those who were rooting for Chrishell Stubbs to be casted for the show last year: she's doing VS catalogue at least
VSfan88 19 Jan 2011 02:27:09
hmm... Flynn Bloom - in written form the given name and the surname fit together but pronouncing it is sort of a tongue twister.
VSfan88 17 Jan 2011 12:08:52
or the pictures that are drawn during court... Idk how to call it
VSfan88 17 Jan 2011 12:07:09
I really like the new D&G campaign. It has this Sin City-kinda visual effect. http://models.com/work/dolce-and-gabbana-dolce--gabbana-ss-11-preview
VSfan88 13 Jan 2011 01:30:13
@DB: Sorry, totally forgot about that possibility and... welcome to VSholic.com
VSfan88 12 Jan 2011 02:11:21
^ I asked that question before and the answer was "Rest" by The temper trap
VSfan88 11 Jan 2011 09:49:31
I never got what that shoulder piece should represent... anyway it was one of the worst outfits the VSFS has ever presented on the runway
VSfan88 11 Jan 2011 09:30:34
seems like Ana BB is written off just like Angela and Natasha is said to prefer doing other stuff to VS
VSfan88 9 Jan 2011 05:05:50
VSfan88 9 Jan 2011 02:30:04
@T.G. - you will include the unedit footage from the show as an extra, right?
VSfan88 7 Jan 2011 11:25:35
@Morgan: nice video ... it worthed the time to watch other than two other vids that has been posted in here
VSfan88 5 Jan 2011 03:59:12
idk if anyone has noticed it, but in the unedited footage, every time when Chanel walks there's someone in the audience who screams supa-dupa-annoyingly
VSfan88 5 Jan 2011 00:45:03
I like the D&G campaign, even though Ale looks like as if she has only one leg
VSfan88 30 Dec 2010 10:47:04
I appreciate tomte A LOT - he did Babalu und Love lockdown - and I don't know how (especially Babalu). Great man!
VSfan88 29 Dec 2010 01:19:40
@Nathan: all the Chanel bashing comes probably from the fact, that she doesn't even look like a woman - she's still a girl and it doesn't matter if she has a good walk. A drag queen can also have a good walk, but if we want to see one in the fashion show? - I highly doubt it
VSfan88 29 Dec 2010 01:17:39
I like how Chanel waited for Katy and then the limelight was only on Katy and Chanel stood in the shadow - exactly there, where she belongs
VSfan88 26 Dec 2010 13:25:48
^@em: ooh beware - he might answer: "I already tried VLC Player but it's still not working "
VSfan88 25 Dec 2010 14:39:03
wow, I gotta say that Ale hasn't change that much from 2005 to2010 unlike Adri
VSfan88 24 Dec 2010 00:51:57
I'm so Anja pro for VSFS, even though she's not even one of my 20 fav models
VSfan88 21 Dec 2010 07:44:09
VSfan88 14 Dec 2010 03:55:01
I second rod-mex comment
VSfan88 11 Dec 2010 05:54:19
@Stanley: wait, didn't you say Iza was in Singapore to do SI... If not, I think I confused it
VSfan88 11 Dec 2010 05:49:48
VSfan88 10 Dec 2010 10:53:28
^ I meant bodypaint not bodypoint
VSfan88 10 Dec 2010 10:52:29
so Izabel will probably be in bodypoint in next year's SI issue?? Wow, and I thought she already had her SI-shoot in Singapore but nice to hear REAL MODELS are getting bodypainted again unlike in 2010-issue
VSfan88 10 Dec 2010 10:49:34
^@MrDramaLife: Oh God, actually I wanted to write I don't feel hate but indifference for you, but after your comment I just feel purely embarrassed for you.... hahahaha
VSfan88 9 Dec 2010 03:26:56
@MrSuperModelLife: yeah, then be dramatic in your own world and leave other ppl alone with it ... damn
VSfan88 8 Dec 2010 09:04:46
^oh right, totally forgot about him ... but I don't mind he wasn't there
VSfan88 8 Dec 2010 02:56:22
yeah "Game on" was the only good music. "Stay too long" is so suddenly blah for me because of that kind of break when Anja and Candice walking. It kills the power. "Vox populi" is such a random choice. Just because they're some kids singing the chorus and some guys howling "wou, wou", it's already fitting the segment??... like seriously mr. Healy??
VSfan88 8 Dec 2010 02:47:31
@MrSuperModelLife: then go and ask T.G. or some other ppl in here if they could send it to you. There's no need for you to be overdramatic ... AGAIN. It's just a song
VSfan88 8 Dec 2010 02:43:14
@CL: yeah bravo - I think you should go and work for DUDEN....jesus!
VSfan88 7 Dec 2010 14:59:12
@MrSuperModelLife: Just calm down and try again - I also had to try it two times since my stupid PC freezed during my first attempt
VSfan88 7 Dec 2010 14:58:21
Always around this time of the year I'm getting in the mood to create VSFS outfits myself like for next year's show and as soon as I think about the model-cast, I'm always imagining Lily A and Chanel being pregnant so there's another step of improvement for a better show
VSfan88 7 Dec 2010 14:52:13
to Constance defense, her PINK outfit was also hideous by nature - I really liked her in country girls.
VSfan88 7 Dec 2010 09:18:23
@T.G.: Do you know when you will finish the DVD for this year's show?
VSfan88 7 Dec 2010 09:14:00
Chanel is often credited as 5'10" like all model agencies prefer to claim their models are (similiar to that almost every model allegedly has 34"-24"-34" as measurement) but Chanel is 5'9" and Katy Perry, I think, had especially higher heels so they looked like the same height
VSfan88 7 Dec 2010 04:13:27
@Nathan: As much as ppl hate her, but I guess everyone knows Paris Hilton. That's why she's always there, but you're right - there more important ppl that should attend the show
VSfan88 7 Dec 2010 04:01:01
@CL: That's why I wrote "I know I keep saying that" - better a hypocrite than plain stupid like you
VSfan88 6 Dec 2010 07:36:56
^I think I can say everyone agrees on that but at the same time it has been said over and over a hundred times - so there's no need to mention that anymore
VSfan88 6 Dec 2010 07:17:13
PS: Manu was the best - I know I keep saying that but it's simply T-R-U-E!!
VSfan88 6 Dec 2010 07:16:46
^I agree. "Heavenly bodies" had the best outfits but I gotta say that I always skip that segment because it's crappy edited, Chanel as an opener sucked big times and Akon was just getting in the way although I'm starting to find "Angel" is ok as a runway-soundtrack. "Game on", however, a segment with the worst outfits turned out to be one of my favs, because of the energy and the music. So, actually the presentation of the outfits is more important than how the outfits themselves look like.
VSfan88 6 Dec 2010 01:28:39
^thx sooo much
VSfan88 5 Dec 2010 13:53:26
hmmm... "Sweet disposition" was the song played in the background when they gave Chanel the wings but I was actually asking for the song in the background when they showed all the wings from previous shows with the Angels commenting on wings.
VSfan88 5 Dec 2010 13:51:54
exactly, I was analyzing her body and rather noticed that she has some light hair on her arms. And the stretches are from her former outfits - that's so obvious. To say those are stretch marks is a typical(ly stupid) attempt to start a rumor
VSfan88 5 Dec 2010 01:50:06
yeah, for editorials you're not getting that much money. I knew it for awhile - actually since Tyra talked about it in her show. She got "only" 150$ for her cover for Sports Illustrated
VSfan88 4 Dec 2010 10:34:44
I really wanna know which song they played when they talked about the wings in the CBS version. All I know is that "Son of a gun" by oh land was played during the credits and whenever the "next up..."-scene came up
VSfan88 3 Dec 2010 08:24:26
Who chooses the models to be Angels?? Is it Ed and Monica? They should seriously be slapped in their faces!
VSfan88 2 Dec 2010 10:51:09
PS: I missed Miranda and Doutzen. Wondering which outfits they would have gotten
VSfan88 2 Dec 2010 10:47:15
Best model: Emanuela de Paula (HANDS DOWN!)
Worst model: ... it's not really her fault, but Rosie looked quite wasted with that hairstyle covering half of her face
Best outfit: There's no definite show stopper this year for me like Miranda's butterfly wings in '08 but I liked Selita's outfit and most of "heavenly bodies"-outfits
Worst outfit: Julia's "heavenly bodies"-outfit and Chanel's outfits in "heavenly bodies" and "PINK" looked worse because she was wearing them
Highlight: When Emanuela entered the stage and the guys were screaming like it was some divine ritual = it was epic!
All in all it was a decent show. Still have to adjust to the fact that VS had its peak years.
VSfan88 2 Dec 2010 10:27:37
I thought I'd hate "Game on" but it was pretty fun to watch and that's only because that segment had the only remix that reminded of the unique remixes VS has had. The different songs were thrown in between "Bad romance" quite randomly but it kinda worked for me and I love the camera angle when Adri posed and turned
VSfan88 2 Dec 2010 08:20:12
urgh, I hate the fact that LILY, CHANEL and Erin seem to be official angels now which means they're on the same level with ADRI and ALE (almost blasphemic). It's super frustrating - they have Edita, Maryna and Manu but of course they don't get to be Angels - they're apparently not "American" enough ... at least, they got rid of Lindsay as an Angel/bombshell/supermodel/IDK-WTF-they-call-it-these-days.
VSfan88 1 Dec 2010 15:18:24
I finally just happened to watch the full show and I gotta say that Emanuela is 100% SEX - even though "Vox populi" sounded like a cheesy Disney-song when she came out
VSfan88 29 Nov 2010 10:27:26
I noticed Isabeli always get the mediocre outfits. The only special outfit might be the "lips-harp" in 2007.
@Nathan: use vtunnel.com and then paste the url. That's how I use youtube in stupid restrictive China.
VSfan88 28 Nov 2010 12:11:29
Mr. Healy did an amazing job back in the day but he should leave asap because he's running out of ideas for perfect music
VSfan88 27 Nov 2010 02:34:57
^I think it's a rumor that her wings broke. At first ppl claimed she didn't get to wear them because VS feared she would outshine Adriana's fb with those harp wings
VSfan88 26 Nov 2010 22:43:38
the wings-video is weird: Liu's wings are considered wings? Please. And they also showed Ale's outfit from the "romantic journey"-segment. That metal thing is also considered wings?
VSfan88 26 Nov 2010 13:28:01
just because I'm a fan, it doesn't mean I have to love everything - I still have an opinion. The "hate" is more the expression of dissapointment. If I was a hater, I would feel indifferent and wouldn't even visit this site. Period.
VSfan88 26 Nov 2010 03:22:52
haha that doesn't make sense. If Marisa needed a much needed break, why she's the NFL and Harley Davidson spokesperson now. Guess we got a worse liar then lala girl which is saying something
VSfan88 25 Nov 2010 12:44:39
I always thought this year's runway is very long but after seeing that "heavenly bodies"-segment, it looks like the runway from 06-07 show (not that long)
VSfan88 25 Nov 2010 12:43:34
^weird what ppl sometimes want to see from their fav celeb but I gotta say it's quite impressive
VSfan88 25 Nov 2010 12:30:33
exactly, and if she was still an angel like ty claims, she must have chosen to walk the show if she couldn't be in two places at once since that's what an angel-contract is all about = coming first before other projects
VSfan88 25 Nov 2010 07:30:19
Chanel is inappropiate for VS as hell but since we have to live with her, I could cope with her if she would just get the mediocre outfits like in the 09 show. I literally hate her for this year's show cos she got too much attention which is a major part why a potential good show like this year got wasted.
VSfan88 25 Nov 2010 00:21:40
@whereisthewine: agree! They don't have "it". If you put girls like Erin, Lily A or Chanel next to Tyra, Gisele or Adriana, they look like background dancers
VSfan88 24 Nov 2010 10:06:58
Heavenly bodies had the best outfits but of course the way of presenting it sucked big times. It's either the models, the music, the editing or the musicians who get too much camera time. There's no need for the designers to design epic outfits similiar to the 2005-show because it will be wasted by one of the above mentioned reasons. If I was Charlotte, I would have quit to design the show also cos I'd be totally pissed as well if my outfits would be presented in such shitty way.
VSfan88 23 Nov 2010 15:01:20
God the editing of that vid sucks big times but still much appreciated you found that exclusive vid
VSfan88 23 Nov 2010 15:00:27
sorry T.G.
VSfan88 23 Nov 2010 14:50:04
Love the outfits of "heavenly bodies" and of course Chanel had to ruin that segment but that's so VS
@MrSuperModelLife: blah
VSfan88 23 Nov 2010 00:23:33
@MrSuperModelLife: So you posted that vid earlier than rod-mex... SO WHAT?!
VSfan88 22 Nov 2010 00:12:43
so Charlotte wasn't part of the design team for this year's show?
VSfan88 21 Nov 2010 10:01:16
@T.G.: "Are you ready for this" by Jock Jams was played during the Game on-segment. It can be heard when Behati walks the runway
VSfan88 21 Nov 2010 09:46:03
I think Behati's body looks the same as usual. I think it's a positive surprise that she was never that skinny but still managed to have a very successful high fashion career.
VSfan88 20 Nov 2010 03:02:47
@malloy: you're totally right - forgot about them
VSfan88 19 Nov 2010 13:41:12
from all the fresher models, Emanuela is the only model that embodies the original sexiness VS once has stood for.
VSfan88 18 Nov 2010 12:32:42
I like dat "I'm gonna knock you down"-part. It's as catchy as Kelis' Bossy-RMX from 2006
VSfan88 18 Nov 2010 12:30:43
that game on-remix sounds good until "Bad romance" is playing. I love that song but remixed it's just total crap. Plus: uurgh, why the hell they chose "What you are" by Jewel? It's too obviously cheesy. They could have might as well chose a song by Taylor Swift. Super stupid music maker
VSfan88 18 Nov 2010 11:00:56
Actually, it's the worst thing to wait for VSFS with a certain expectation. First off - It will NEVER go back to its glorious years of 2003 or 2005. Nowadays, it seems like VS wants to disappoint its fans. 2008 I thought it would be a major show (and it probably was) but the editing was super-shitty and the music so-so. This year the show also had major potential but they put the segments in the wrong order and the MUSIC again
VSfan88 17 Nov 2010 01:17:11
When Emanuela and Ale walked in the "Wild things"-segment, it looked like two different segments
VSfan88 17 Nov 2010 00:59:26
^hell yeah, and Tyra didn't even get to wear wings in the 2002 and 2003 show.... actually I stopped being mad about that because that's VS nowadays or Lily A, Lindsay and especially Chanel found ways to blackmail Ed Razek
VSfan88 16 Nov 2010 03:03:30
After some researches, this could be the soundtrack-list of this year's show:
1. Segment "Tough Love":
· Plan B - Stay Too Long (Pendulum Remix)
2. Segment "Game On":
· LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out
· Lady GaGa - Bad Romance
· Survivor - Eye Of The Tiger
3. Segment "Country Girls":
· Jewel - What You Are
4. Segment "Heavenly Bodies":
· Akon - Angel
5. Segment "Wild Things":
· 30 Seconds To Mars - Vox Populi
6. Segment "PINK":
Katy Perry - California Gurls
VSfan88 13 Nov 2010 05:46:08
^ when?when?when?
VSfan88 12 Nov 2010 23:59:18
speaking for a fitting music, they should have used Nicole Scherzinger's new single called "Poison" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9joqPp3peLg
Especially the beginning fits the cage thing in "tough love" or to Erin's boxing outfit. "Poison" with Lady Gaga's "Bad romance" would have been epic
VSfan88 12 Nov 2010 15:03:23
sounds reasonable: Todd and Charlotte should go for creating tackier and tackier outfits, the music guys for bad music and Ed simply for pushing Chanel into angel status
VSfan88 12 Nov 2010 14:39:23
...speaking of getting rid of Todd and Charlotte - they should seriously get rid of those who are in charge with the music first. "Wild things" accompanied by rock music? wtf??
MAAAAN what's so difficult to choose the right songs for the show??????????????????????????????????
VSfan88 12 Nov 2010 14:34:36
I know some seriously different tone of mine but I like Chanel's pose in Game on a lot. She pretended to have a baseball-bat but it worked
VSfan88 12 Nov 2010 02:50:27
I think putting PINK at the end was the big failure but Katy Perry had to be saved for last and her songs fit PINK the best. So another potentially glorious show sucked because of ratings. Get used to it folks
VSfan88 12 Nov 2010 02:30:00
jealous bitch? please - nobody can deny that some of the outfits this year looked tacky and KK's game on outfit (actually all game on-outfits) is one of them
VSfan88 12 Nov 2010 01:35:48
My fav this year was definitely Emanuela! Like Anne J, she might just got one outfit but she killed it 4 real on the runway
I think Rosie was very forgettable this year. Extremely inconspicious! I still got love 4 Adri but I think her beauty has started to wither
I guess I don't need to say which model was BY FAR the worst
VSfan88 12 Nov 2010 01:09:41
Charlotte Stockdale was involved in this year's show according to the nymag interview with Todd Thomas.
VSfan88 11 Nov 2010 13:25:08
hope Chanel is getting pregnant next year, so she can't walk the show and will probably look better next next year
VSfan88 11 Nov 2010 12:20:30
the more stuff I see from Chanel in this year's show, the more I hate her. She is so incredibly inappropiate for the show. She's no Esti Ginzburg, who looks like a teen but has the sexiness to her at the same time. God, wanna punch Ed for being so long in the business but yet doesn't know how separate between personal liking and if a girl fits what VS (originally) stands for
VSfan88 11 Nov 2010 00:40:56
I really wanna know who's in charge of giving which model which outfit...
VSfan88 11 Nov 2010 00:30:30
God Chanel got 2 pairs of wings... OMG... sorry, I know I'm too emotional right now but I hate unfairness so much! Look at EMANUELA and then VS goes with Chanel... what the hell is wroooooong??? ... like I said, I'm too emotional although I will never change my opinion that Chanel doesn't deserve to be there. So accident can come
VSfan88 11 Nov 2010 00:21:34
*(closing the show and opening "heavenly bodies"... yeah, right )
VSfan88 11 Nov 2010 00:20:44
KK and Emanuela looked STUNNING in wild things! And Adriana's opening outfit is gorgeous but too "normal" for opening the show
VSfan88 11 Nov 2010 00:19:48
Gooooood, this year's show sooo weird - it's like a hell good show and a hell bad show combined in one!
All I have to say is that the "heavenly bodies" outfits are AMAZING! I hated Martha's stupid wanna-be "YMCI", Behati lookind like a wizard in PINK and CHANEL getting so much attention (closing the show and opening "heavenly bodies"... yeah, right :thumbsdown. That might sound over the top but I wish she gets an accident next year so she's in coma during next year's show. God she's soooo out of place
VSfan88 10 Nov 2010 10:51:18
... dammit, I still cannot get over it that PINK will close the show to 99,9%. The original line-up was 1. Tough love, 2. Wild things, 3. PINK, 4. Game on, 5. Country girls, 6. heavenly bodies and I think that was P-E-R-F-E-C-T
VSfan88 10 Nov 2010 03:45:22
maybe, I just didn't see the footage but how do you guys know Lily D will have the bubble wings?
VSfan88 10 Nov 2010 00:32:23
@Kevork89: God damn - Taylor Swift?? Don't give VS some hideous ideas
VSfan88 10 Nov 2010 00:29:54
^ Because they give a crap about ppl like you
VSfan88 10 Nov 2010 00:15:14
"Not fair"... seriously no
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 23:50:34
maaaaan had to read 3 pages back and like 15 pages over tfs
I hope they will use that bad romance remix in the opening segment... that would be awesome and I'm so excited that I'll go and listen to that song now
PS: Why there are still ppl asking if Gisele is going to be in the show? I didn't know how sensationally stupid human beings can be
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 14:55:10
I don't think it has something to do with CBS... The designers maybe got inspired by this year's soccer world cup
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 13:49:25
@Aleryna: Exactly, some ppl are stupid as hell - Gisele is not going to return! PERIOD!
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 13:18:38
the theme for the PINK outfits is "Crap"
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 12:55:13
I HELL DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT PINK IS GONNA CLOSE THE SHOW! WTFFFFFF??? Heavenly bodies would be the perfect end
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 12:44:14
I'm in love with Ale's country girls-outfit
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 12:42:11
eeer.... we know about the themes for awhile... anyways, the fitting video is SO COOL! Thx Devon K
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 12:17:04
as a model only
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:58:30
^ I think her hair was rather dyed too light
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:49:45
^ yeah and add Lily A, Heloise, Jacquelyn, Chanel, Lindsay and Caroline W to that list
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:36:23
Jessica S is one of the main girls? Surprising
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:27:36
I think, Adri should have posed with Ale like dat... just to give that moment of "we are the only true angels, bitches"
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:25:42
hmmm ... now, when I see the cast, it's not that exciting as I thought anymore... or maybe it's just because they're fully dressed?
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:23:08
haha Shannan looks like: "God that Caroline-girl doesn't belong here"
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:14:54
@Dennis: there will be no livestream of the show. You must wait for CBS to air it on nov. 30th oder Pro7 wird das irgendwann ausstrahlen
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:05:37
It wouldn't surprise me if some of the "confirmed" girls won't be there. The "confirmation" was only based on models which did fittings, but I can remember seeing Vlada had a fitting with Caroline W's "ballet de fleurs"-outfit and she ended up being rejected.
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:02:51
well, it's obviously sure that some models didn't do the promo... so I would still have hopes for Magda, Anja and especially EDITA! Kinda sad Toni didn't make it
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 11:01:49
Fernanda walking?? I think she's so yesterday
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 07:27:27
I think it's rather to "protect" the youth from watching "barely-dressed models in a filthy show". I will never understand these prudish families. If they want to live in the 18th century - fine, but leave others alone with it.
VSfan88 9 Nov 2010 05:38:42
wow... Candice has such an alluring voice
VSfan88 8 Nov 2010 07:14:38
over tfs, there's this theory, that all the models on the left board are the confirmed girls... so it would mean Julia S is in the show image
PS: Adri's fb wings look weird image
VSfan88 8 Nov 2010 07:01:17
Lindsay's fitting http://www.harpersbazaar.com/fashion...show-exclusive
VSfan88 8 Nov 2010 06:54:57
of course there won't be news about the show because the show will be aired nov. 30th. So, by then there will be the real stuff like Adri or Ale being in tv shows to promote the show. Probably only the VS fans know that the show will be held in two days.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2010 21:58:06
PS: My conclusion concerning Hilary - she chose SI over VSFS since she's shooting for SI this week (I think)
VSfan88 7 Nov 2010 21:56:50
WOW, that "Wild things"-segment looks promising. Better than 2002's "Wild things"-theme which looked horribly cheap.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2010 21:54:06
yeah but there's someone on tfs who said he knows Hilary and Hilary allegedly told him she didn't even go to casting. Some ppl then concluded she just said that because she was embarrased being rejected.
VSfan88 7 Nov 2010 21:28:22
@CL: Those "Adriana fans" on tfs said Hilary was at casting because her photo was on the casting wall. So there was a brief confusion when it was said she didn't even go to casting
VSfan88 7 Nov 2010 21:26:26
I can't wait for the show... it's stupid to air it like 2 weeks after and then pretend it's live like they did last year
VSfan88 7 Nov 2010 05:20:10
@Kevork89: As far as I know Hilary said herself, she never attended casting and next week she's going to shoot for SI. So, I don't think she'll be there. Keeping my fingers crossed for Toni though
VSfan88 6 Nov 2010 12:23:17
.... sorry, but Adri has a butterface in the 1st pic. Why they chose such photo
VSfan88 6 Nov 2010 02:03:20
I thought November 10th?
VSfan88 6 Nov 2010 00:28:53
oh I know what you mean. When you put so much work into something, you kinda tend not wanting to share it because it's so precious but thx to your feelings that felt the time was right (god, that sounded stupid right? )
VSfan88 6 Nov 2010 00:17:32
@MrSuperModelLife: Your kof-remix is great. Again, not 100% but the closest to it from all the remixes. If you would have included the xylophon-part, then it would probably be 100%
VSfan88 6 Nov 2010 00:15:47
It's almost so sure they will use Akon's "(stupid) Angel" for that segment, but I hope not. I guess that segment will be the most beautiful of this year - please don't screw it with someone who sings like a whining dog
VSfan88 6 Nov 2010 00:08:10
over tfs, the insiders are insisting that this year's outfits look AMAZING! Concerning the whole show, that's just the half battle since 2008 had amazing outfits but the editing and most of the music SUCKED biiiig times. So I'm keeping my hopes low especially concerning the music because it will most definitely be commercial than unique. So I'm hoping they remix B.o.B.'s "Nothin' on you", but only using the chorus
VSfan88 5 Nov 2010 15:34:42
Seems like the rumors were true from last year that said Adri will make a BIG comeback. Now she has the fb, two pairs of wings under her sleeve and is also featured in the x-mas commercial as the only true angel (that's why I think Ale wasn't in that commercial and Miranda and Doutzi "just happen" to be pregnant... Imma tell you - it's all planned )
VSfan88 5 Nov 2010 15:24:38
*close the show
VSfan88 5 Nov 2010 15:23:51
Adriana will open the show and get two pairs of wings and Candice will end the show
VSfan88 5 Nov 2010 15:22:49
it's confirmed there will be six segments this year calling 1. Tough love, 2. Game on, 3. Heavenly bodies, 4. Country girls, 5. Wild things, 6. PINK yes, they wanna end the show with PINK
VSfan88 5 Nov 2010 02:13:03
Actually I wouldn't mind if Julia was cast or not but reportedly there are only 5 spots left and I think there are plenty other better models to fill those spots (TONI, please make it )
I'm not really shocked that Ana BB won't be there. For a non-angel, she has worked long enough for VS. She's like Angela Lindvall. It's time to let go - hopefully also of the stupid "bombshell" choices real soon
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 12:48:07
The pre-model-cast is pretty amazing so far. I think, some of the worst choices are actually the "bombshells" (Lindsay, Chanel, LILY A). That's why I'm even more excited so see the regular models but I'm keeping it cool because as we know: the "so-called" confirmed models could also be replaced at last minute like last year: Anne V claimed on her twitter she would walk and Clownémie Lenoir was also called "confirmed" but who we saw at last year's show? Certainly not those two.
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 12:40:12
I think it's weird that the fashion designers (Charlotte and Todd) weren't in the casting vid as jury members. Instead, there some ppl in the jury I've never seen before. I would be pissed if I was the one who create the outfits and then other ppl decide who's gonna wear them.
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 12:17:59
uurgh... Lily A's walk in her fitting video - meeeh
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 01:47:23
so there might be the chance that Candice is going to open the show
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 01:43:44
from that Candice's pic, the runway kinda looks like dat:
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 01:42:24
^ well that jumpsuit this year looks at least better than last year's
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 01:31:27
if Toni is also going to be confirmed, then my last wish concerning the model-cast is fulfilled
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 01:30:41
@rod-mex: hell yeah, thanx that the brains of the VS people are working enough to let them realize that
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 01:29:32
the outfits in the fittings look like as if the models are going to an anime-convention
VSfan88 4 Nov 2010 01:28:20
woooou, I had to go 3 pages back to catch up!
Anyway, I'm happy that Constance is going to be in the show
@rod-mex: hell yeah, I thought that was Tyra too
haha when I saw the fittings, most of the outfits looked very costumy like seriously. Especially Erin in the boxing outfit! Looks like Tiffany from Rival Schools.
VSfan88 3 Nov 2010 13:04:04
Aminata certainly just looked busted in that ET vid but somehow I have the feeling Ed likes her really much
VSfan88 3 Nov 2010 12:59:53
Just saw who Chrishell Stubbs is and maaaan... if VS is looking for a black model - she should be first choice though I'm not sure about her age
VSfan88 1 Nov 2010 07:21:41
I hope that they're not gonna put Toni and Constance in the stupid PINK-segment, if they choose them.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2010 23:42:15
I know but not like the real stuff - she's currently at university as I heard... so maybe after the degree??
VSfan88 31 Oct 2010 23:37:07
oh KATJA ... but I heard awhile ago that she doesn't model anymore
VSfan88 31 Oct 2010 23:25:46
I'd love to see Irina because she's at least sexy unlike Lindsay or Chanel. I don't care that she hasn't done a lot of shows because runway-models also can screw up (keyword: Dorothea) or outside of VSFS, models like Sasha walk horrible but still get casted for fashion shows.
VSfan88 31 Oct 2010 23:06:06
Since reading all these models names, the show seems to be very promising but then I think of the sketches (boxing outfit, football as a cape... WROOONG ) and the music (Katy Perry and especially AKON ) - I wanna be excited but then again there are enough reasons to get disappointed - I feel kinda torn... and dramatically acting
VSfan88 31 Oct 2010 09:21:12
@Aleryna: I'm wondering too: Who is Lily A if it's not Aldridge? Maybe some model like Clara Alonso who was also kinda invisible in google before she got to walk the VSFS
VSfan88 31 Oct 2010 01:01:08
NO WAAAAAAY!!!! TONI GARRN went to VS casting?? I was hoping for that for soooo long and also Constance
VSfan88 30 Oct 2010 13:08:33
I think VS tries to be all american since almost all the "supermodels" (Erin, Lily, Chanel, Lindsay) are american and english is also the mother tongue of Candice and Rosie... so - no Marynas at this time
VSfan88 30 Oct 2010 09:29:31
as much as I like KK, I don't think she should do VSFS anymore. It's like she was an angel and she was one of the girls in the center and now if she comes back, she would be one of many. And unlike Izabel and especially Selita, she doesn't need VS - she has enough work in fashion elsewhere
VSfan88 29 Oct 2010 00:09:02
@rod-mex: EXACTLY! The photo of Ale and Lily at Toronto... Lily's hair is exactly like Izabel's. It's like someone edited Lily A's face into that pic
VSfan88 28 Oct 2010 07:44:09
well, the way she acted on the runway... you never know
VSfan88 28 Oct 2010 06:41:24
I think SI still knows how to cast sexy models unlike VS.
VSfan88 28 Oct 2010 06:40:48
I read somewhere (maybe tfs or bellazon) that people think Dominique looks too random, but I rather have her than some models like Dorothea who apparently had a drink or two too much before the show.
VSfan88 27 Oct 2010 10:30:05
hell yeah! There are no words to describe how wrong Dorothea was for VSFS
VSfan88 27 Oct 2010 03:00:23
@Kevork89: well, I designed outfits that would easily cover up 4 shows but as for other ideas on Adri's fb this year, I posted the best sketch
VSfan88 25 Oct 2010 08:46:08
well, I never considered Nadine's look as "babydoll" - her face has a that stunningly strict edge - her charisma is sophisticated and aloof. She doesn't seem innocent like a "babydoll" at all. Her campaing with Wolford is just dynamite
VSfan88 24 Oct 2010 23:32:06
wtf? Nadine Strittmatter quit modelling? I know, she hasn't been there for awhile but ... what's she doing now? I thought her look would take her very far and that for a long time
VSfan88 24 Oct 2010 09:31:55
as for the shawl, I was actually inspired by Yfke Sturm's finale outfit or Heidi Klum's finale outfit respectively from the 2005 show
VSfan88 24 Oct 2010 00:32:14
Since it looks like that Adri will wear that heart-corset outfit with the "tough love"-wings, I was wondering how the fantasy bra-outfit would look like. I sketched my idea:
That would also prevent Adri to be able to wave around like she's drowning in a sea or something like dat
VSfan88 23 Oct 2010 11:28:20
god, that runway looks slippery... anyway, can it be safely said that there will be no stupid model search this year??
VSfan88 23 Oct 2010 07:07:38
wow I totally feel you Kevork89 - I would also love to work for VS, not as a photographer but as the fashion show designer though. It will be ok with the waiting - the show is in 18 days
VSfan88 23 Oct 2010 04:18:22
I think the best way is just to say "we managed to design a great set of outfits again"
VSfan88 23 Oct 2010 04:12:13
of course they would never say "nah i think we did crap this year, but whatevs" but calling 2009's outfit the best collection is a lil over the top
VSfan88 23 Oct 2010 00:01:24
@bastianvek: "Slave to love/with you" wasn't remixed not until after the show. What they did was leaving "The man who can't be moved" completely raw which wasn't the case in the actual show
VSfan88 22 Oct 2010 23:59:32
haha yeah, I remember Charlotte saying about the 2009-show "I think this is the best year" PLEEEEASE - 2005 had the best outfits and she knows it
VSfan88 22 Oct 2010 13:50:21
VSfan88 22 Oct 2010 10:12:38
that idea just occured to me when I saw the group shot of the x-mas commercial - Adri as the real angel in the middle, being surrounded by the bombshells. Wouldn't it be weird if two veterans (Ale and Adri) would be in the commercial but one of them (Ale) being treated like random bombshell?? I think if it wasn't for Doutzi or Miranda to get pregnant, the concept of the x-mas commerical would have been different.
VSfan88 22 Oct 2010 10:09:07
Pure speculation, but I think Ale wasn't it that christmas commercial because VS wanted to emphasize who's the lead angel....
VSfan88 22 Oct 2010 10:08:34
yeah Gisele was great as an angel - goofy, but not silly goofy like Tyra or Heidi but classy goofy (if there's something like dat ).
@malloy: yeah, could be that they just happened to get pregnant but I just wished they would have planned it so this year's show wouldn't look so empty with only 2 angels... know what I mean?? And if I was an angel, I would so wait for the show every year, so I would take care of when to get pregnant
VSfan88 22 Oct 2010 01:46:16
I think it's weird that this year's show will only feature like 2 angels It's like back then three angels appeared in a row in the first segment and now there's not even an angel to open the 2nd segement if Ale and Adri will be in the 1st segment. Sorry, but Doutzi and Miranda shouldn't have get pregnant during VSFS - why they didn't plan it like Heidi or Ale??
VSfan88 21 Oct 2010 10:15:15
eeewwww, just happened to see the fb from other angles and it looks so weird Why only the cups and the straps are covered in diamonds and the rest not?? It looks like VS didn't have enough money to put diamonds on the whole bra
VSfan88 19 Oct 2010 14:02:30
haha whenever somebody mentions Ale I get remembered by that stupid lala(la) girl who claimed Ale will wear an amethyst-fb this year... T.G., did you ban her from this thread btw?
VSfan88 19 Oct 2010 05:35:01
VS is actually a BIG question mark for me since they have hired Chanel - so guys don't even bother wondering why they hire so many inappropiate models recently
VSfan88 15 Oct 2010 01:45:57
yeah, I don't have something against performers but just don't put them with the models together... maybe like in 2005 where Seal was rather in the background and not on the actual runway. As far as concerning performers on the runway, the only time it fit was 2009 with BEP since that segment was basically inspired by that song and music video respectively.
VSfan88 14 Oct 2010 06:47:19
actually I thought last year's soundtrack wasn't that bad. Yeah, they could have chosen a much better theme for the last segment but I liked the KoL-Remixes and I like the enchanted forest-music WITH the orchestra-remix... dang, CBS totally stole the magic out of that segment by leaving that orchestra-part out
VSfan88 13 Oct 2010 13:48:42
yeah I know and I'm almost sure that "Angel" will be the soundtrack for the opening segment. First BAD NEWS concerning this year's music. The song is ok, but Akon's voice... boy, stop whining and start singing
VSfan88 13 Oct 2010 00:49:31
yeah, they do change a lot! Like in 2008 Doutzen was s'pposed to wear the outfit in black tie-segment that Noemie finally got but it looked quite different too and Liu Wen's outfit with the shape was supposed to be worn with bra and panties in gold.
VSfan88 11 Oct 2010 14:32:02
I would have loved to see Adri, Ale, Miranda, Doutzy all united for the VSFS but of course two of them had to get pregnant (is that selfish of mine to think like that? )
Besides the angels, I would love to see Maryna, EDITA and as newcomers Toni Garrn and Constance. I wouldn't mind to see Lais also. Lindsay and Chanel will unfortunately be there
VSfan88 11 Oct 2010 09:17:36
aaah now I can see it! yeah... Candice always has a great body
VSfan88 11 Oct 2010 09:15:33
weird I can't see Candice's pic... all I can see is Emanuela
VSfan88 9 Oct 2010 04:19:18
yeah, VSFS 2008 was actually a great show but the editing and the music let it suck
VSfan88 8 Oct 2010 03:50:04
yeah VSFS 2010-thread over tfs is finally there
VSfan88 7 Oct 2010 06:08:52
OMG pleeeease, you guys are reacting a lil too dramatic! and I thought Natalia would have beaten someone or some like that until I saw it and I barely notice it. It's really not that big deal
VSfan88 6 Oct 2010 00:58:37
I was hoping to see Toni Garrn doing VSFS for a very long time and after she was said to be 17 for like three years, she's finally 18 in all versions by now. So fingers crossed for her to walk this year
VSfan88 6 Oct 2010 00:56:40
yeah, Ale is killing hf right now! She does more than Miranda so I don't get it why Miranda is no.8 on models.com right now and Ale not even top 20
VSfan88 5 Oct 2010 00:28:32
though the sketches are not new to me (except for the one with the black girl with blonde hair ) it's cool someone posted them all again. Thx mrsupermodellife
VSfan88 4 Oct 2010 02:55:45
so no Adriana on the runway so far
VSfan88 2 Oct 2010 08:36:27
I think it's weird that Heidi parted ways with VS not until now since she was doing nothing with them after the 2009-show. It's like she got paid from December until now for doing nothing?? Otherwise, she might be playing us like last year when she claimed "she will not walk, just host"
VSfan88 2 Oct 2010 01:13:32
and I thought Tyra got soooo skinny, but actually she still has some junk in her trunk
VSfan88 1 Oct 2010 13:30:27
OMG I can't help it but I gotta post this one:
Adriana looks like a wax-figure of herself in some Madame Tussaud's museum but she still outshines Lily A to the right who totally messes up next to (wax-figure) Adriana
here a citation of Adriana about the FB:
“The Fantasy Bra cost two million dollars. Has sixty carats of white diamonds, eighty-two carats of topaz’s [sic] and sapphire. Each one of them was hand-pieced in place. I mean, a really a work of art [sic].”
SIGH. When will this woman EVER learn to speak English correctly?!?
VSfan88 1 Oct 2010 13:11:24
wow that FB looks very good! Finally they go back to the FB-design of 2003-2005, although the bra looks like a not-so-detailed-version of the 2004-FB but it's like the first good appetizer for this year's VSFS after all these horrible sketches (except for that flower-outfit maybe).
VSfan88 1 Oct 2010 08:04:47
yeah M exactly, Chanel is "the best model for VS". She "most definitely" deserves the FB. Actually I think, Isabelle Caro deserves it more
VSfan88 1 Oct 2010 00:57:58
yeah my favs as newcomers for this year's VSFS are def Constance and Toni!
Anna Wintour's shades must have some deluxe 3D features
VSfan88 1 Oct 2010 00:50:52
wtf is wrong with Anna Wintour putting on her shades in the Balenciaga show?? Seems like someone don't like seeing colors
VSfan88 30 Sep 2010 03:43:23
I'm sure that all the haters are just jealous because their secret wish to become VS angels themselves will never become true
VSfan88 28 Sep 2010 03:38:31
@malloy: Doutzen didn't have time to eat during the documentary. The only time you see her eat is in the hotel for breakfast before she actually goes to work. While backstage, she said that she was so hungry
VSfan88 28 Sep 2010 01:27:03
technically they have time to eat, but backstage they only serve sandwiches and maybe salad, so the models are so sick of it, that they prefer not to eat it and according to Doutzen's documentary there's no time to eat healthy so the models maybe just eat little things - not real meals.
@JlovesD: I'm also a dude
VSfan88 27 Sep 2010 08:36:23
yeah JLovesD - that's my boy (or girl)?? sorry 4 not knowing
VSfan88 27 Sep 2010 03:31:56
yeah, I will never understand these mentally disturbed snobs... I mean VS models and hf models are both fashion models - when hf models do VS or maybelline, everyone seems to be pretty ok with that but for some reason when VS models are doing hf for all these hf snobs it's like blasphemy... c'mon there much more important things in the world - they really need to talk to someone
VSfan88 26 Sep 2010 23:18:26
the D&G show's music on the youtube channel is very beautiful! i didn't see the show with the original soundtrack and actually I don't wanna
VSfan88 26 Sep 2010 00:40:23
Irina has walked for Chloé before but in general yeah - she barely does fashion shows
VSfan88 25 Sep 2010 13:34:32
I think Arlenis is beautiful but in the 2008 show she looked dumb to me. Don't wanna sound offensive but also in a casting-vid (not sure if for 2008 or 2009 show) she looked stupid with her hold-on-breath-walk
VSfan88 25 Sep 2010 13:31:16
I really like how all these VS faces are doing hf as of lately. Does anybody know if KK is already featured in the Top 50 women-list on models.com? Somehow I can't enter that page
VSfan88 25 Sep 2010 11:55:28
From tfs:
This was posted Today on VS fcbook site with the backstage video:
"Victoria's SecretErin, Ale, Lily...and Arlenis! Meet the newest Angel on the block on the set of our new BioFit™ Push-Up spot."
So Arlenis might be their new "angel" for the season
VSfan88 25 Sep 2010 11:51:11
yeah I like "Dirty picture" also though I know that song for quite a long time already. It kinda has the tune that Madonna's "Get together" has
VSfan88 25 Sep 2010 11:50:01
@Olga: As for now, Ale, Adri, Miranda and Doutzen can safely be named "Angels" I guess - not sure about Heidi and Marisa anymore. Heavily used girls like Candice and Rosie co